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Italian scientist claims he has achieved 'cold fusion'
The Daily Mail Online ^ | Last updated at 4:56 PM on 4th November 2011 | By Martin Robinson

Posted on 11/05/2011 12:58:45 AM PDT by Kevmo


Andrea Rossi says his new machine fuses nickel and hydrogen at room temperature creating almost unlimited energy .

But there is one problem - many scientists claim it defies the very laws of physics. Several high-profile demonstrations of 'cold fusion' have been proven to be hoaxes in the past - and no one can adequately explain how or why it might work .

The United States Department of Energy the U.S. Patent Office say the process is impossible because physics rules out the possibility of room-temperature nuclear fusion .

But Rossi's E-Cat machine can allegedly do it, and he says he proved it worked during tests at the University of Bologna last month .



Key: Rossi says he has produced a pattern of triple track atoms, pictured, which is at the heart of the cold fusion theory


'We have nothing to say, just to make plans that work properly and let those facts win against the scepticism.'
Sterling Allan, CEO of the alternative energy news agency Pure Energy Systems, told FoxNews.com he attended Rossi’s demonstration and the E-Cat is self sustaining .

'What Rossi demonstrated was 470 kilowatts of continuous output in self-sustain mode -- meaning the output was enough to keep the thing running on its own,' he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: cmns; coldfusion; ecat; lenr
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To: Moonman62

Proof?


101 posted on 11/05/2011 7:42:44 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Th conclusion was that there was “no nuclear reaction fingerprints”, no gamma rays. That would indicate no nuclear process at work.


102 posted on 11/05/2011 7:45:47 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: CodeToad; Kevmo

I’m sorry, are you Jim Robinson? That’s right, you’re not. Your opinion means zero.

Post away Kevmo. In fact post more frequently just to piss them off.


103 posted on 11/05/2011 8:04:23 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: NewinTexsas

So then you’re saying it works and it’s not a fraud?


104 posted on 11/05/2011 8:06:04 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: muawiyah

I am still waiting for you to post the specs of a strain gauge that will output to one part in a billion ...


105 posted on 11/05/2011 8:55:09 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: PapaBear3625
If it does not contain materials that spontaneously fission, then it is not a radioactive device. If it only emits high-energy photons when turned on, then it is no more a radioactive device than an x-ray machine is.

But no one but Rossi knows how to turn it on or turn it off! No shipper in his right mind will accept it for shipment nor could it ever clear customs.

106 posted on 11/05/2011 8:57:20 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: CodeToad; phoneman08
Nice try at spin. I’m not advocating he not post about Cold Fusion news. I am advocating that he stop spamming FR with blog posts in the news section about Rossi’s scam. I bet that went right over your head.

A google of 'Kevmo INTRADE' brings up the INTRADE blogs from Kevmo pumping his E-cat stock ...

107 posted on 11/05/2011 9:06:31 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: Wonder Warthog

To: Wonder Warthog

Their COP is only a measly 2.0 SOME OF THE TIME!!! They are using pulsed data and during SOME of the time of the run it shows a gain of 2 BUT they provide NO calorimetric data and make all kinds of assumptions about “lost energy”. Bottom line is that they have NOT shown a gain of 2.

125 posted on 10/29/2011 11:38:48 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: Wonder Warthog

Another analysis (Horace Heffner) shows major problems with the 10/6 test. (Uses word ‘nonsensical’)


This means there is reason to suspect a 50% error in heat measurement for this period, i.e. 2 kW heat looking like 3 kW heat. This may be compounded at times with a 37% error added in this report spreadsheets due to 0.8°C added to delta T due to calibration errors.

ANOMALOUS FAST POWER OUTPUT INCREASE WHEN POWER CUT It is notable that when the power is turned off, for example at time 14:20, and 14:51, and 15:56, the power Pout actually rises. This may be a confirmation that the Tout thermocouple is under the influence of the temperature of the incoming water/steam in the primary circuit. Water carries a larger specific heat. Cutting the power may introduce water into the output stream, as seen before. If the thermocouple within the E-cat is subject to thermal wicking, the water temperature may actually be 100°C, as before. This sudden flow of 100°C water could then account for the at most 11.6°C increased temperature from the Tout thermocouple, which is located close to the hot water/steam input. The E-cat began leaking at the rate of about 2 kg per hour at 14:00 (168 min.). The water dropped from the lower edge of the wrapped E-cat. The insulation prevented knowing where the source of the leak. It seems highly coincidental that Pout and Eout began rising substantially right after 14:00 (168 min.) This may be an indication that water overflow via percolator effect began at about 14:00. The fact water or steam was leaking at such a large rate is an indication the E-cat should not have been under significant pressure after that time. The leak, plus the fact the primary water circuit is open following the heat exchanger, should make achieving a significant pressure unlikely.

Also anomalous is that all power was cut at 19:08 (476 min.) Hydrogen pressure was eliminated. By 19:22 the thermal power out measured jumped from 4.2 kW to 7.1 kW, a roughly 70% increase in power. This could be explained by a burst of nuclear power triggered by a high internal diffusion rate. It could also be explained by increased liquid water overflow. The latter is indicated as more probable by the fact that the internal E-cat temperature, T2, dropped from 116.6°C to 108.1°C during the apparent power burst.

In any case, it is nonsensical that when power is cut that output power quickly momentarily rises. This kind of mystery can be, should be, unraveled using a dummy device and then an inactive (no hydrogen) E-cat during calorimeter calibration sessions.

http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Rossi6Oct2011Review.pdf

128 posted on 10/29/2011 12:50:16 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: Wonder Warthog

Brillouin Energy’s process requires a frequency generator. Rossi said (until a couple of days ago) that he also required a frequency generator. When someone at the 1MW test noticed that he had no frequency generator, he said it was no longer required. How did he manage to get the 1MW test run with the SAME reactor but with no frequency generator that he had previously proven was required?

209 posted on 11/02/2011 5:37:41 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: Wonder Warthog

Their COP is only a measly 2.0 (at this point). But all their methods and experimental data are posted on their website.

From their website .... Give me a break!

“There are a number of reasons why calorimetric data is not provided in this document. Conduction, convection, and loss of small amounts of NaOH due to entrainment in solution that evaporates, are not fully controlled in these experiments. The beakers with electrolysis are more heavily influenced by ambient temperature in the room due to the increased surface area caused by the hydrogen and oxygen bubbles. The increased surface area causes increased conduction of thermal energy. These factors preclude calorimetric data collection”

210 posted on 11/02/2011 5:41:57 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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108 posted on 11/05/2011 9:10:13 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: Free Vulcan
So then you’re saying it works and it’s not a fraud?

Uh it was a very short post and started with "He says ..."

He referring to Rossi.

109 posted on 11/05/2011 9:13:50 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: Free Vulcan
Post away Kevmo. In fact post more frequently just to piss them off.

Actually, I enjoy seeing the posts and responses. Reminds me of watching the suckers at the carnival.

110 posted on 11/05/2011 9:15:07 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: PapaBear3625
If it only emits high-energy photons when turned on, then it is no more a radioactive device than an x-ray machine is.

Are you saying it is not a nuclear device?

111 posted on 11/05/2011 9:16:34 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: muawiyah
The weight capacity has NOTHING to do with this technology.

Please show me a link to your bathroom scale that goes to over 13,000 kg. Thanks.

112 posted on 11/05/2011 9:22:02 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: count-your-change

Two, There is no mention of any such radiation detectors being used in any of Rossi’s demos.
***I think Rossi has mentioned some short term radiation in the past, hence the need for some Pb shielding. As far as the report of neutrons, this is the first time I have run across it so it is more likely to be a journalism mistake than some groundbreaking report.


113 posted on 11/05/2011 9:26:37 PM PDT by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: muawiyah

Balance screws?


114 posted on 11/05/2011 9:27:37 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: calex59

You no likee, you no clickee


115 posted on 11/05/2011 9:31:07 PM PDT by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: BRK

Rossi is basically in the process of doing just that.


116 posted on 11/05/2011 9:32:24 PM PDT by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: olezip

If you want to please the “hard core skeptics” help them to replicate the technology in their labs.
***Rossi doesn’t care about hard core skeptics. He cares about whether his customer is satisfied enough to pay the piper.

Look at how the naysayers twist themselves into pretzels when they are confronted with the fact that the Pons-Fleischmann excess heat effect has been replicated more than 14,700 times. Adding a few more to that total isn’t going to change the situation on the ground. Selling units, that will change the game.


117 posted on 11/05/2011 9:35:13 PM PDT by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
You no likee, you no clickee

I likee, I clickee. I find your INTRADE posts.

118 posted on 11/05/2011 9:36:43 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: Eye of Unk

I like looking down on those puny Hummers when I’m driving my motorhome. Doesn’t need to be smogged. In 10 years if this Cold Fusion thing is real, I’ll be able to replace the power plant.


119 posted on 11/05/2011 9:37:36 PM PDT by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
Rossi doesn’t care about hard core skeptics.

Right. Every carnival barker knows just to ignore the hardcore skeptics and look only for the marks.

120 posted on 11/05/2011 9:37:56 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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