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Part of sun turns into stormy 'benevolent monster'
Associated Press ^ | November 3, 2011 | Seth Borenstein

Posted on 11/04/2011 5:43:53 PM PDT by decimon

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To: Calvin Locke

We were in a Sunspot Maximum in the mid 1970’s. Talk about wonderful HF radio propogation. Every day I drove through the high desert in NM with a 550 watt HF transceiver under my dashboard. WOW was that fun.

Worked all over the world driving down the road. Hope I live to see that again.


21 posted on 11/04/2011 6:59:14 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: decimon

Bush’s fault.


22 posted on 11/04/2011 6:59:55 PM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: Texas Fossil
It has been know for 100 that weather is more variable during sunspot minimums and sunspot maximums ...

... and let's not forget those oh, so volatile transistion phases!

23 posted on 11/04/2011 7:19:13 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Texas Fossil
Spain tried settling all along the coast all the way to the Mississippi. They got wiped out more than once. That's just one of the reasons there were wild cattle out on the range as well as long legged Spanish pigs (razorbacks) just everywhere.

The conditions were known. They eventually figured out that only Americans could open the country up.

24 posted on 11/04/2011 7:21:05 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Calvin Locke
The Sun was pretty active in the late 1970s,..

Actually the sun had below average activity in the early 70's and very weak activity in the mid 70's to about 1978. Activity did climb however in 1979. So the cold 70's occurred with weak solar activity. Exactly what one would expect.


25 posted on 11/04/2011 7:48:34 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: decimon
"It's beautiful," said forecaster Jess Whittington. "It's still growing. The size is what blows me away."

Is it just me . . . or . . . no. Not going to even go there.

26 posted on 11/04/2011 7:56:04 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: justa-hairyape
The chart below has more yearly detail.

The cold 1970's was clearly due to a weak solar cycle 20. We are currently in the maximum for cycle 24. We should not expect any net warming trend until after the peak activity level is reached IMHO. And we need 2 solid years of this type of activity to get off the rock cold bottom we are now in. For example, we expect a low tonight of 41 F where I am located at. 900 feet above sea level. 50 Miles from Los Angeles. Too cold for October.

27 posted on 11/04/2011 7:57:07 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
And this chart here goes up to October 31st. Just look at the size of the energy budget hole we have to dig out of. This winter will be horrific. And we need even more solar activity then we now have.


28 posted on 11/04/2011 8:04:04 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: LasVegasMac

Who is Roger?


29 posted on 11/04/2011 8:19:34 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: justa-hairyape

Too cold for October. should read. Too cold for early November.


30 posted on 11/04/2011 8:25:41 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Henry Hnyellar

It’s a radio thing, basically an unknown world to TV gawking couch hounds and kids with plug and play keyboards.


31 posted on 11/04/2011 8:35:54 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Windflier
Being from New York, I suppose you wouldn't, but I'm in Texas, and we can do with a lot LESS warming, thank you very much! LOL

If Gore can do his carbon credit trading thing then maybe we can do some heat swapping.

32 posted on 11/04/2011 8:54:56 PM PDT by decimon
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To: justa-hairyape

I remember the sooner-than-expected demise of Skylab was blamed on Solar activity expanding the atmosphere, thereby increasing the drag.


33 posted on 11/04/2011 9:35:37 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: decimon
If Gore can do his carbon credit trading thing then maybe we can do some heat swapping.

Wouldn't it be cool if we could really do that?

I'm originally from Los Angeles, and couldn't believe the mild summer they were having this year. I never experienced anything like that in all the decades I lived there. Pissed me right off, with all the 100+ degree days we were suffering here in Texas! LOL

I caught myself almost wishing I were back home again.

Speaking of heat, isn't New York pretty hot in the summer?

34 posted on 11/04/2011 9:42:41 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Speaking of heat, isn't New York pretty hot in the summer?

Rarely hits 100. But it can get humid in the NYC area so it doesn't have to get very hot to get to you.

35 posted on 11/04/2011 9:46:29 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
Rarely hits 100. But it can get humid in the NYC area so it doesn't have to get very hot to get to you.

That's what makes the eastern half of Texas so unbearable in the summer. It gets humid and the temps go into the triple digits.

I thought I knew what some heat was about, being from SoCal, but the Texas heat is on a whole 'nother level.

36 posted on 11/04/2011 9:59:21 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Calvin Locke
Well, back then we had no evidence linking solar activity to an expansion of our outer atmosphere. We only recently found a correlation between UV light levels and energy in the outer gaseous atmosphere. So that would probably all be related to the UV light levels emitting from the sun before the day that Skylab fell. Any theories proposed about that back then would have been highly speculative.

Actually the science behind the Ice Age scares back in the late 1970’s, was much more sound then the current science behind the AGW scares. Which just demonstrates how far we have fallen as a civilization.

But Solar activity did ramp up rather dramatically in late 1978 and 1979. Was the start of Solar Cycle 21 which was fairly strong. As was 22. It takes a few years for the change in solar activity to affect the weather way down here close to sea level. Its changing effects however can no doubt be felt much earlier though in the upper atmosphere.

37 posted on 11/04/2011 10:08:09 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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North NJ used to get pretty hot, but in the DC metropolitan area, this July was one of the worst on record for heat. While there has been more snow, it is a lot less cold in winter than it was 4o or 50 years ago.


38 posted on 11/04/2011 10:26:10 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
While there has been more snow, it is a lot less cold in winter than it was 4o or 50 years ago.

Shhhh.....don't let Algore hear you saying that! LOL

Yeah, the planet goes through its climate swings, doesn't it? I can remember wearing a sweater to school every morning in September, when I was a kid in California. Nowadays, it's still broiling that time of year.

39 posted on 11/04/2011 10:37:10 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: gleeaikin
Yes. The 1970’s were colder. That was when the Great Ice Age scare was going on. We are now returning to that cold time, if you ask Joe Bastardi.
40 posted on 11/04/2011 10:55:14 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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