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I like his films for pure cinematic value. It’s not just action scenes, he has the framing eye of a great comic book artist. I insist to this day that Titanic is a great film - an homage to silent melodramas by D.W. Griffith. You can take out all the dialogue and still know what was going on. It’s primal film making. And I much prefer Aliens to the dull Ridley Scott original. What characters in that latter film were there? They were just bodies waiting to be slaughtered with no significant relationship to one another. The motivations are much more clear in Aliens and the competing motherhood theme is better elucidated. Of course he’s not as great as Peckinpah or K. So what...


57 posted on 10/29/2011 7:40:47 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges
I like his films for pure cinematic value. It’s not just action scenes, he has the framing eye of a great comic book artist. I insist to this day that Titanic is a great film - an homage to silent melodramas by D.W. Griffith. You can take out all the dialogue and still know what was going on. It’s primal film making.

It's basic, bland filmmaking. He uses the same basic shots he learned in Beginning Directing--how is that a sign of good moviemaking? The great directors innovate. If you can take out all the dialogue and know what's going on, all that says is that you're capable of associating one image with the next. The question is, if you do this, what have you lost? In great filmmaking, you lose a lot. With Cameron, it shows his awful dialogue adds nothing to the movie.

And I much prefer Aliens to the dull Ridley Scott original. What characters in that latter film were there?

Seeing how he copied the character of Ripley in The Terminator, Cameron would disagree. Seeing how he copied the charater of Ash in his script for Aliens, Cameron would disagree. The simple brilliance of Yaphet Kotto's Parker is that he's a bitching and moaning 'truck driver in space,' a character who's never appeared in a science fiction movie with that degree of authenticity, right up to the moment when he dies trying to save someone, when before he seemed completely selfish. Scott and O'Bannon and Hill thought up the whole idea of transplanting non-SF movie characters into a SF movie; Cameron just copied them.

They were just bodies waiting to be slaughtered with no significant relationship to one another.

Not true.

The motivations are much more clear in Aliens and the competing motherhood theme is better elucidated.

The "motherhood" thing was a joke, taking the first film's gritty realism and turning what was supposed to be a 'badass' action film into warm and cuddly territory. Scott wasn't afraid to have a tough woman, but Cameron had to show she had...a heart! Awwwww!

The motivations weren't clear in Alien? 'There's a monster loose and we have to kill it'--what was unclear about that? It was the simple, clear drive of the story that made the first one a masterpiece. The second is caught up in silly 'badass' yammering, while the first one had people who talked like people, not comic book characters. (The first encounter with aliens, who might have wiped out a colony, and you send...a completely untested commanding officer, instead of the toughest guy you've got? The ethnically-diverse crew that went out in bad WW2 movies? THIS is Cameron's brilliance?)

Of course he’s not as great as Peckinpah or K. So what...

It was a simple comparison made in response to your estimation of him. He's a B-movie cliche-generator. They were artists.

58 posted on 10/29/2011 10:10:46 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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