Marco Rubio 2012. No reason Rubio couldn't declare. He'd win.

(vanity)

[Cringing Negativism Network]

Been noticing something.

Liberals seem to be a bit jumpy about Marco Rubio.

Want to slime him. Almost like they were about Palin...

Interesting.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

Except he was born in Kenya, and raised in Indonesia.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

I’m from Missouri.
You’ll have to Show Me.

[buccaneer81]

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,

Note what I have in bold. Early presidents were not natural born because there was no United States at the time of their births. Ditto their parents. That's the grandfather clause. Once the Constitution was law, the rules of natural born citizenship became the only acceptable criteria.

Read this:

21 March 2011 Page 1 CITIZENSHIP STATUS of the PRESIDENTS OF USA

“PRESIDENT?” CHESTER ARTHUR et al - WHY THEY AREN’T PRECEDENT FOR OBAMA’S ELIGIBILITY

[buccaneer81]

DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE James R. Stoner, Jr., Louisiana State University

No public document gives more prominence to the idea of natural law, nor relies more crucially upon natural law as a premise, than the Declaration of Independence. To understand why this is so and what it means for American constitutionalism requires reading the text of the Declaration in its political, historical, and philosophical context.

Natural Law and the Declaration of Independence

Didn't you study these concepts in school?

[rodguy911]

I believe it. And now acorn is running under a zillion new names. Makes it that much tougher to spot the players.

[buccaneer81]

Except he was born in Kenya, and raised in Indonesia.

The place of birth will never be resolved unless he admits it himself which is why the NBC clause has always been the smart argument.

[buccaneer81]

You cited court cases. Not the US Constitution.

Apply your argument to abortion.

[rodguy911]

Since you brought up the Senate you just happened to get into an area that Rubio does have some executive experience in managing Senators. He did it superbly in Fla.

But I have to agree with you. It would be nice to see a Senator Rubio go to Governor and then President.

There is just one caveat. We don't want zero to win. If it were absolutely necessary to run Rubio or lose the election for sure,that's a whole other scenario.

[rodguy911]

Now that zero has almost completed a term as an illegal potus it would be illogical to not allow a candidate on our side to repeat the process since we now have a “precedent” for doing so.It's as good as an amendment to the constitution.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

I agree with you.

There is no specific right to abortion in the Constitution, it was interpreted later by a court. Invented really.

Just as there is no specific verbiage which disqualifies Rubio.

I don’t think we’re really in disagreement about much.

Just about whether there is any technicality which would disqualify Marco Rubio. And incidentally whether the dems would (dare) even discuss the issue after this administration... I’d say run Rubio with someone like John Bolton as his running mate.

Rubio will present a very electable, charismatic candidate for our side. And he’ll win.

Worst possible case, Rubio is later ruled ineligible at the SC (unlikely), and Bolton takes office...

[rodguy911]

Depending on on how you see it either 50 states,scotus or both Houses of govt. let the ball drop on the legitimacy of obama as a candidate.No action was take nor any contemplated.

Obama’s reign was obviously illegitimate and illegal. Why does this not set a precedent for yet another reign of anyone whose parents were not born in the US?

[cynwoody]

senate resolution 511 mentioned having TWO citizen parents for McCain. Still waiting for senate resolution for the usurper dunham.

Senate resolutions are neither here nor there. But it's worth noting that Senator Obama favored this one.

Senator Obama also co-sponsored S. 2678, the Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act. It fell by the wayside, however, being redundant posturing, since children born abroad to US citizens, such as Senator McCain, are already natural born citizens.

Natural born status simply means you were entitled to be a citizen by reason of your birth, as opposed to as a result of a subsequent naturalization process. That's the common sense interpretation of the term.

And that's how the Court will rule, if they ever take a case. Stare decisis et non quieta movere. They are not going to walk back what's already been done.

[Crazy ole coot]

In “Minor v. Happersett” the Supreme court has already stated that to be a Natural Born Citizen, you require two American citizen parents. Rubio’s parents were not citizens when he was born. Therefore not eligible to be President or VP.

When Hussian obama is proven to be eligible, everything he has signed and everyone he has appointed will be null and void.

[Crazy ole coot]

In “Minor v. Happersett” the Supreme court has already stated that to be a Natural Born Citizen, you require two American citizen parents. Rubio’s parents were not citizens when he was born. Therefore not eligible to be President or VP.

When Hussian obama is proven to be eligible, everything he has signed and everyone he has appointed will be null and void.

[cynwoody]

Worst possible case, Rubio is later ruled ineligible at the SC (unlikely), and Bolton takes office...

Couldn't happen. The Supreme Court cannot remove a president, no matter how they find. Removal is possible only through impeachment, and you can bet the Court would be only too happy to toss the hot potato into the Senate's lap.

[buccaneer81]

That is an incredibly wrong-headed argument. I learned that two wrongs don’t make a right when I was three years old.

[MamaTexan]

As in state of nature ?

No, as in the legally recognized term Natural Law .

n. 1) standards of conduct derived from traditional moral principles (first mentioned by Roman jurists in the first century A.D.) and/or God's law and will. The biblical ten commandments, such as "thou shall not kill," are often included in those principles. Natural law assumes that all people believe in the same Judeo-Christian God and thus share an understanding of natural law premises.

2) the body of laws derived from nature and reason, embodied in the Declaration of Independence assertion that "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

3) the opposite of "positive law," which is created by mankind through the state.

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Sound familiar?

If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave.
John Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772

That these are our grievances which we have thus laid before his majesty, with that freedom of language and sentiment which becomes a free people claiming their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate.
Thomas Jefferson, Rights of British America, 1774

Natural rights [are] the objects for the protection of which society is formed and municipal laws established.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Monroe, 1791

[svcw]

Wrong.
Rubio was born in the US, is over 35 and has lived here more than fourteen years.

[svcw]

The issue has nothing to do with me, it is what is in the constitution.

[Crazy ole coot]

If Mr. obama is not legally the President, he cannot be impeached, he must be arrested and tried by a court, not the Senate. We know how dirty harry and the dems would vote on impeachment anyway. That would be a lost cause, just like with clinton.