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Unforgettable, Though Many Try: The 1986 Mets
Throneberry Fields Forever ^ | October 18, 2011 | Yours Truly

Posted on 10/19/2011 10:53:07 AM PDT by BluesDuke

Their 25th anniversary seems to be more sober than an awful lot of the team was. But Allen Barra is right. Twenty-five years ago tonight launched the 1986 World Series, which the New York Mets would win in rather dramatic fashion. There was and remains nothing wrong with that. The 1986 Mets may have steamrolled the National League on the regular season, but there was nothing like a pair of hair-raising postseason sets to remind people that even teams as good as those Mets have to work, good and hard, for their prizes.

Yet it seems as though even Met fans, often enough, see the 1986 edition as the team you’d rather forget. They may or may not be the only World Series winner to enjoy that questionable position.

Yes, those Mets did drive the rest of the league nuts, with their randy on- and off-field style, and I acknowledge that “randy” may be the most polite way possible of phrasing it. But one suspects that what really drives New York nuts about the team, what really leaves New York unable to know just how to remember or commemorate the team, is not their wild, wicked, and whacky ways. It’s that the Mets of the mid-1980s were the dynasty that never happened.

What a difference two quarter centuries make. The Mets were born as the National League’s greatest comic troupe who just so happened to play (if that’s the word for it) baseball. Eight years old, they won a miracle pennant and World Series and became the national darlings. (From your ancient history: the Baltimore Oriole who flied out to left to end that World Series with New York going insane with glee—Davey Johnson, future Mets manager and ’86 World Series winner.) Four years later, they were still somewhat darling even as they were picking themselves up from the National League East’s floorboards, dusting themselves off, rallying around a flaky relief pitcher’s clubhouse sarcasm, following a forlorn general manager’s rah-rah speech (“You gotta believe!!!”), upending a weak East, upending the Big Red Machine, and nearly upending the Mustache Gang Athletics in the only World Series in which those A’s would need a seventh game to prevail.

Ten years later, having been reduced to losers who were about as comic as open heart surgery, a new general manager, Frank Cashen, who’d already planted a gigaprospect named Darryl Strawberry in the system, swung a deal with the St. Louis Cardinals to acquire a multitalented but troubled first baseman who’d already been a batting champion and co-Most Valuable Player. Keith Hernandez had to be brought kicking and screaming to New York, but once he got a taste of the city and the team’s intent he proved to be the brick that laid the 1986 foundation, after all.

The 1986 Mets played in the twenty-fifth year of the team’s existence. Even their worst enemies seemed to agree that the dynasty launching in earnest in 1986 should have happened. It only began when Cardinals manager Whitey Herzog, who ran Hernandez out of St. Louis over the first baseman’s cocaine use, and who wasn’t exactly a fan of the Mets as that deal began to make them, dared to enunciate, early in 1986, “Nobody is going to beat the Mets.”

Well, now. The Houston Astros got thisclose to doing it in the National League Championship Series. The Boston Red Sox got even closer in the World Series, a strike away from doing what the White Rat said nobody was going to do. Those two clubs may—--may--—have been the only clubs in the Show that year capable of beating those Mets. The Mets ended up beating them on the field. (Red Sox manager John McNamara, immortally: We lost Game Six, but they won Game Seven.) Unfortunately, the Mets ended up beating themselves in the aftermath. Dwight Gooden’s shocking absence from the World Series victory parade—--he admitted in due course he was wasted over from a long night’s partying after Game Seven was in the bank that he didn’t want anyone to see humble, meek Dr. K. in that kind of shape--—was only the first self-inflicted blow.

Beginning in 1984, the Mets began a surge that included two straight close second-place finishes in the National League East, and climaxed with a 108-54 regular-season 1986. From 1987-1991, five seasons in which the should-have-been dynastic team was disassembled, little by little, the Mets won one more division title, finished second three times, and then collapsed to fifth in the last of those seasons. They lost a 1988 National League Championship Series to a lesser team of Los Angeles Dodgers after winning 100 games on the season. That was the second and final time they’d win more than 92 games in the span. They finished 1991 with a 77-84 record, 20.5 games back of the division-winning Pittsburgh Pirates . . . which was one game closer to the Pirates than the ’86 Mets finished ahead of the second-place Philadelphia Phillies.

Twenty-five years after the 1986 conquest, you’d think that even New York would prefer to forget those Mets. What happened to them? Barra, in his splendid Clearing the Bases, has one pretty point:

Try looking at the ’86 Mets as the 1955 Brooklyn Dodgers in reverse. The Dodgers of that era featured several future Hall of Famers . . . and several near-misses. (Certainly Don Newcombe would have been a likely candidate if not for two prime years lost to the Army, or several seasons lost later to a losing battle with alcoholism, and Gil Hodges has his defenders and always will) but could never quite win the big one (that is, they couldn’t beat the Yankees). When they finally did in 1955, the victory had an autumnal flavour to it, and not just because it was October. In little more than a year, the team was broken up and in two the franchise would be forever relocated. The Mets . . . also had numerous Hall of Fame candidates or players that looked as if they would be, and a fine, proven manager in Davey Johnson to guide them. Unlike the Jackie Robinson Dodgers, though, the ’86 Mets won it all relatively early in what should have been the prime years of their best players. Then they began, season by season, to fall apart, until, by 1991, the dream was gone. They didn’t lose their best players to free agency, either. They lost them to . . . life.
It may only have begun with Darryl Strawberry and Dwight Gooden, those two larger-than-life talents who turned out to be larger-than-life troubled and self-destructive young men. But it was absolutely unfair for then-general manager Frank Cashen to throw them under the proverbial bus, as he did when talking to Jeff Pearlman for The Bad Guys Won, the best single-volume study of the 1986 Mets, and blame them almost entirely for the team’s undoing.
I built the goddamned team, and I built it around those guys . . . That club should have won for the next three or four seasons without fail. Those two men let not only themselves down but the teams and the fans of New York. That team was destined to be a dynasty. Maybe I take this too personally, but in my opinion those two men cost us years of success.
Nobody says Strawberry’s and Gooden’s substance abuse didn’t have an impact on the team. Nobody suggests Strawberry’s concurrent personality issues didn’t, either; nobody would suggest the jolt of Gooden landing in the Smithers Alcoholism and Drug Treatment Center a week before the 1987 season was to begin (It was just a huge setback. It just wasn’t the same feeling in the clubhouse. We still had chances to win but the swagger was missing. Some of the magic was gone.—Gary Carter), or his (as well as Strawberry’s) inability to handle his early and explosive rise to fame, didn’t, either. But was it Strawberry’s and/or Gooden’s fault that Gary Carter, the most obvious Hall of Famer in waiting when he arrived with the Mets in 1985, turned out to have had only three good seasons left in his wearing-down body when he first donned the Mets’ silks?

Was it their fault that Keith Hernandez, who certainly did look like a Hall of Famer in the making (and was probably the best defencive first baseman the game had seen in years, to the point where opposing managers even refused to bunt against his teams) through the end of 1986, and had cleaned up from his drug issues, would be shaved down in what still should have been prime seasons for him by back, knee, and hamstring trouble before he was allowed to leave via free agency—--the day before the Mets released injury-worn Carter likewise--—after 1989?

Was it their bright idea to tell Dwight Gooden in spring training 1986, in effect, that his explosively riding fastball and voluptuous curve ball weren’t sufficient, that a pitcher who already knew what he was doing on the mound needed more repertoire after he’d just spent two seasons absolutely burying the league, in the second of which he was the pitching triple crown winner and the National League’s overwhelming Cy Young Award winner? With the net result that Gooden became, by comparison, a mess of shot confidence who won 17 games and struck out 200 on reputation more than repertoire in 1986? (Who’s to say whether that shot confidence didn’t leave him prone to the seduction of cocaine in the first place?) And, though he’d still be a good pitcher for years enough, would never solidify as the great pitcher he began as being, in the meantime picking up a passel of shoulder injuries that helped keep him from staying or returning to be great?

Was it their bright idea that Ron Darling, who looked like a comer and pitched like one until 1988, would lose his fastball while acquiring (it was whispered) too much taste for the bright lights and, it was said, battling with his manager almost constantly over overthinking on the mound?

Was it their bright idea that Sid Fernandez—--a lefthanded pitcher that nobody could hit (his lifetime batting average against: .209—.209!), and who probably saved the 1986 World Series for them, when, moved to the bullpen for the set, he shut the Red Sox down ice cold in his stints including, and especially, his lights-out Game Seven relief (four punchouts in two and a third, including a violent swishout of Jim Rice to open an inning)--—should compile a career in which he was just 114-96 and averaged barely six innings pitched per game?

Was it their bright idea that Bob Ojeda, who might have been their best pitcher in 1986 (2.57 ERA; league-leading .783 winning percentage; team-leading 18 wins) should lose a fingertip in a horrid home gardening accident after 1988 and never again be the same pitcher (good-to-borderline-great) he was?

Was it their bright idea that Jesse Orosco—--who looked like he might become one of the greatest relief pitchers the game had ever known (his ERAs in his first five seasons were never higher than 2.73, and he finished one of those seasons with a 1.47 mark), with 44 relief wins and 91 saves by the end of 1986 (and they weren’t all single-inning jobs, either)--—should have nine saves only once and would have a mere 40-37 won-lost record from 1987-2000? Orosco proved durable and useful, but he never again looked like even a borderline relief pitcher, never mind a prospectively great one.

Was it their bright idea that Lenny Dykstra, a package of talent to burn, should be bedeviled by a combination of injuries and, as a Met, inconsistency (not to mention the damn fool idea, because he’d hit some bombs rather unexpectedly in the postseason, that he should try to become a power hitter), until the Mets felt compelled to trade him (with Roger McDowell, the prankishly flaky co-closer on the ’86 Mets) to the Phillies for Juan Samuel? A deal that looked smart at the time, because of Dykstra’s injury-marked inconsistencies, but turned out to look like one of the ugliest in Met history . . . until he proved finished by a series of back injuries and recklessness (the two may have gone hand-in-hand) after his brief ascension as a Phillie?

Was it their bright idea that Howard Johnson, a spare part in 1986 who came into his own in 1987 and would be one of the National League’s most feared hitters from 1987-91, should just drop out of sight completely at the plate after that?

Was it their bright idea that reaching the top of the heap should move the Mets’ front office to use their once-well-rebuilt minor league system to develop trading chips, mostly, while making (in Gooden’s own eventual words) “too many trades for guys who are used to getting their asses kicked. The guys who used to snap—Wally (Backman), Lenny, Ray (Knight), Keith, (Kevin) Mitch(ell)—they’re gone”?

Was it their bright idea to unload live-wire middle infielder Wally Backman to open an infield home for superprospect Gregg Jefferies, a superprospect who turned out to be ill-prepared for the major leagues in spite of his staggering minor league statistical performances? ([A]n outcast because he was an arrogant kid who thought he was better than everyone else—Roger McDowell.) A minor league super-phenom who turned out to be a middling major leaguer who looked like the hitter he was projected to be at times, otherwise chafed under bloated expectations (he eventually admitted he was bothered by the comparisons he often received to Mickey Mantle), but who refused coaching, reportedly, from anyone other than his father? Jefferies had to leave the Mets in a trade, after he’d turned the 1989-91 Met clubhouse into a mine field, in order to play serviceably, even competently, if nowhere near his promise as the best minor league prospect of the 1980s.

Was it their bright idea to unload talented 1986 rookie Kevin Mitchell—--a future MVP and home run champion, who wasn’t anywhere near the worst of the 1986 Mets--—in favour of the talented but indifferent Kevin McReynolds when the World Series triumph was still so fresh? (McReynolds brought nothing to our club. He didn’t want to be there, so it didn’t matter to him. And Mitch, for all his faults, always wanted to be there. He was an intense ballplayer.—Bob Ojeda.) Because Mitchell’s hard, sometimes thuggish ghetto boyhood made the Mets’ brass a little too nervous about his prospective influence, ignoring that he was actually one of the clean Mets, a rookie clubhouse favourite known for giving competent haircuts to his teammates?

Was it their bright idea that the front office give Ray Knight the cold-shoulder after the ’86 Series, despite a solid comeback season and finishing as the World Series’ Most Valuable Player? (You were the key. You killed us.—Bruce Hurst, Red Sox pitcher, who had been voted the Series MVP award, until the Mets tied Game Seven on him and Knight, facing his reliever Calvin Schiraldi, broke the tie with a missile of a home run to lead off the bottom of the sixth.) At age 34, Knight was deemed obsolete with HoJo in the wings and Jefferies on the infield horizon. The Mets let Knight walk to the Baltimore Orioles; his unhappiness married to his age may have help speed his final decline. (Ray-Ray was a leader. You can’t get rid of leadership and expect things to stay the same.—Roger McDowell.)

Cashen might have been willing to designate a pair of scapegoats, but Al Harazin, his assistant general manager, wasn’t. “If you give us credit for any of the success,” he told Pearlman, “then you have to give us blame for the downfall. But it’s impossible to keep the exact personnel all the time. Change in baseball is inevitable. You have no choice.” But you have the choices as to just how the changes could or should be made when necessary.

Wanting to cauterise the kind of wild and crazy atmosphere that seemed to dominate the 1986 Mets is one thing. A season of brawling, boozing, bimbo-chasing, and championship baseball with . . . the rowdiest team ever to put on a New York uniform—--and maybe the best, read Pearlman’s subtitle. When it is not necessary to change, it is necessary not to change, said Edmund Burke. If they were that desperate to end the wildness and craziness, Cashen, Harazin, and company were likewise blind to what they would get in return.

Darryl Strawberry’s story may be told best in The Ticket Out: Darryl Strawberry and the Boys of Crenshaw, written by Michael Sokolove (also known as Pete Rose’s most soberly relentless biographer, in Hustle: The Myth, Life, and Lies of Pete Rose). He seems today to understand his fatal flaw, the flaw that led him to drink, drugs, sexual excess, and finally dissipated talent. He even seems at peace with his baseball past, with the manner in which he destroyed his career, because he could not accept his own importance while feeling as though any and every performance short of “the black Ted Williams” (as he was, so help me, called as he ascended to the Mets and in his first year or two there) equaled disaster.

Dwight Gooden, a more composed soul than Strawberry (how often did we hear Gooden was as polite and as accommodating as Strawberry could be churlish and temperamental?), has told his own story too candidly. It is, unfortunately, still far enough from resolved. Anguished nearly to the point of suicide by his fall and his substance abuse battles (he recently received probation for a 2010 DUI automobile crash that preceded his reported departure from his family), the man who once pitched a no-hitter in a Yankee uniform and dedicated it to his dying father, who prompted Sandy Koufax himself to say in 1985 that he’d trade his past for Gooden’s future, continues that struggle just as arduously.

I wasn’t ready for that kind of attention at nineteen. No teenager is. To be honest, I’m not sure I’m ready for it now.--—Dwight Gooden, before the 1996 World Series.

We stole Dwight’s youth.—Davey Johnson, to Thomas Boswell of the Washington Post, when Gooden was admitted to Smithers in 1987.

Strawberry and Gooden were only the most visible elements that made and unmade the 1986 Mets. They weren’t even close to the only ones. It’s time to quit blaming them alone for the rise and collapse of the dynasty that never came to be. And it’s time to quit treating the 1986 Mets like the lepers of New York or any major league baseball. They weren’t the first great baseball team to rise on wild and crazy times and fall on wilder and crazier times, and they won’t be the last. And they weren’t the first, and won’t be the last, great baseball team to be dismantled almost before their staggering conquest really sank in, because their upper management panicked over the wild contingent and lost their vision in trying to neutralise it.

And for all that they aggravated, annoyed, and infuriated the opposition during that stupefying 1986 ride (Can you beat these assholes? someone in the Phillies’ spring training 1987 complex scribbled across a team portrait of the 1986 Mets for incentive), there wasn’t one team in the league who would have said no way, Jose, if they’d been asked whether they’d have let themselves become the same band of evil angels if it meant they’d have won it all. Just ask the 1993 Phillies, who almost did win it all.

Look, I probably had it worse than most watching that team, in New York and elsewhere. I’d been (and still am) a Met fan since the day they were born, and a Red Sox fan (and still am) since the 1967 pennant race. Would you like to see my drug bills from October 1986?

So the 1986 Mets were their decade’s version of the Gas House Gang. You think the Gas House Gang were unofficially blacklisted from the memories of St. Louis? You think Philadelphia has performed a memory dump on the Philthy Phillies of 1993? You think the Bronx has kept the 1977 Yankees in terminal Phantom Zone exile? It’s well past time for New York to pull its head out from between the wrong pair of cheeks and give the 1986 Mets their due. There’s no reason for New York to ignore their World Series silver anniversary in a town where there are more excuses for Yankee anniversaries (let someone learn when any Yankee legend played his first Yankee game with a hangover and some jerk would initiate an anniversary commemoration for it) than there are protesters in the Occupy Wall Street throngs.

Yes, they were a great baseball team composed of flawed, sometimes self-destructive, sometimes tragic men, sometimes spectacularly so. (Name one team who ever celebrated an arduous league championship triumph by breaking an entire airplane.) But the key is in the first seven words of the preceding sentence: Yes, they were a great baseball team. The one thing they did harder than partying was playing baseball. Warts and otherwise, that is how the 1986 Mets deserve to be remembered. And, commemorated.


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: baseball; newyorkmets; worldseries
A note about Sid Fernandez: To put that lifetime .209 batting average against him into more perspective (he played fifteen seasons), consider the lifetime batting averages against these Hall of Fame gentlemen, incumbent or in waiting:
Walter Johnson: .227
Bob Feller: .236
Warren Spahn: .244
Whitey Ford: .235
Sandy Koufax: .205
Jim Palmer: .230
Randy Johnson: .221
Juan Marichal: .237
Bob Gibson: .228
Tom Seaver: .226
Nolan Ryan: .204
Steve Carlton: .240
Greg Maddux: .250
Tom Glavine: .257
Curt Schilling: .243
Pedro Martinez: .214
Think about that, and think about what his absolutely horrible conditioning did to compromise Sid Fernandez's pitching career. (He usually pitched 30-40 pounds overweight and it wore his knees and shoulders down little by little, until his final five years saw him compile a mere 21-21 record. Nobody could hit the guy (he led his league in lowest batting average against three times; Ford, to name one, never did it once), yet he finished his career as nowhere within the same continental boundaries as a Hall of Famer.
1 posted on 10/19/2011 10:53:13 AM PDT by BluesDuke
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To: BluesDuke

It turned out exactly the way I wanted. Being a Cardinals fan I was for the NL in the series but I wanted it to be close enough to scare the Mets. I was pretty happy with their lack of success afterwards too. Overrated in their own minds.


2 posted on 10/19/2011 11:00:46 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: BluesDuke

I was a huge fan of the 86 Mets. Perhaps my favorite team of all time. I’ll never forget that summer, when at one point they were 25 games ahead of the second place team in the NL East.

Gooden was brilliant (though he lost both WS starts), and the lineup was stacked. Dykstra, Mookie, Gary Carter, Strawberry, Keith Hernandez, Ray Knight, Kevin Mitchell.

They had a chance for a good run, but drugs got in the way. They had a great team in 1988, but blew it (literally).


3 posted on 10/19/2011 11:01:07 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: BluesDuke

I believe the series with the Astros included the worst call I’ve ever seen 1st base umpire called Craig Reynolds out despite his being two strides past first when the 1st baseman caught the ball.


4 posted on 10/19/2011 11:04:50 AM PDT by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: BluesDuke
I was interested... and tried to read it... But the writer was all over the place and very hard to follow his train of thought. Maybe I'll try again later...
5 posted on 10/19/2011 11:06:20 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: bkepley

I was married on the same day as Game 1. Last night I was telling my wife that next week the glow of our 25th will be tarnished by then anniversary of game 6.


6 posted on 10/19/2011 11:19:45 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: bkepley
Whenever I go to St Louis, I STILL wear my #17 Mets jersey!

phhfttt!

Mark

7 posted on 10/19/2011 11:28:41 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: BluesDuke
Game six. A two-run lead. Two outs. Nobody on base. Two strikes on the batter, Gary Carter.

I hate being a Red Sox fan.

8 posted on 10/19/2011 1:01:19 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: bkepley
It turned out exactly the way I wanted. Being a Cardinals fan I was for the NL in the series but I wanted it to be close enough to scare the Mets. I was pretty happy with their lack of success afterwards too. Overrated in their own minds.
There are those who would have said the Cardinals of the same period were overrated in their own minds, too.

The 1986 Mets might have gotten a good scare in the NLCS and the World Series, but they didn't overreact to a no-questions-asked blown call in a Game Six with the World Series just about in their hip pockets and then implode so spectacularly in a Game Seven.

Say what you will about the '86 Mets but if they'd been victimised by a call blown that badly, they would have picked up, dusted off, told each other to kwitcherbitchin' (which is, by the way, just about what Ray Knight did bark at his teammates after the whining about Mike Scott's scuffballs), and played the game onward.

9 posted on 10/19/2011 1:34:48 PM PDT by BluesDuke (Another brief interlude from the small apartment halfway up in the middle of nowhere in particular)
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To: BluesDuke
Say what you will about the '86 Mets but if they'd been victimised by a call blown that badly, they would have picked up, dusted off, told each other to kwitcherbitchin' (which is, by the way, just about what Ray Knight did bark at his teammates after the whining about Mike Scott's scuffballs), and played the game onward.

No question about that. It was a disgrace the way the Cards handled it.

10 posted on 10/19/2011 1:44:19 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: BluesDuke

How much time did the 1986 NYM’s do in jail? Oil Can Boyd was late on his kung fu and porno movies returned and crucified in the press.


11 posted on 10/19/2011 1:50:28 PM PDT by dancusa (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. W. Churchill)
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To: Scoutmaster
Game six. A two-run lead. Two outs. Nobody on base. Two strikes on the batter, Gary Carter.

I hate being a Red Sox fan.

Put yourself in my position. I was (still am) a Met fan since the day they were born and I was (still am) a Red Sox fan since the 1967 pennant race. The last thing on earth I expected to see was my two favourite teams square off in a World Series. It's as I said in the article: you want to see my drug bill for October 1986?

Now, about Calvin Schiraldi, who had a second lead to work with when he faced Gary Carter with two out in the bottom of the tenth:

I love Cal, but I told the guys the truth. If we're able to get (the game to) Schiraldi, he does not have the makeup to be a stopper. He's not psycho enough to come in late, and he gets on himself too much. We can beat him up and down.---Ed Hearn, Mets backup catcher, who had played with Schiraldi in the minors when Schiraldi was a Met prospect . . . and who also just so happened to be dating Schiraldi's younger sister and had left a game pass for her for Game Six.

The kid was scared. You could see it.---Gary Carter, recalling Schiraldi's look when he stepped to the plate in the tenth.

Gary Carter can suck my ass.---Calvin Schiraldi, when told of Carter's observation years later.

By the way, Carter singled on a 2-1 count. The next batter, Kevin Mitchell, remembered a conversation he'd had with Schiraldi when they were minor league roommates and Mitchell asked Schiraldi how he'd pitch to him if he ever got the chance. Schiraldi responded: start with a fastball, follow with a slider. Sure enough, Mitchell saw a fastball to open his at-bat and fouled it off. The slider's coming, he thought to himself, and he was right---bing! a single up the pipe.

When Ray Knight followed Mitchell, he was the hitter on whom Schiraldi put the Red Sox a strike away from winning the Series (Knight looked at a called strike one, then fouled one off for strike two), before Schiraldi foolishly tried to sneak a fastball past him and Knight snuck a dying quail into short center to send Carter home and Mitchell to third with the potential tying run, prompting John McNamara at last to lift his gassed reliever and bring in Bob Stanley.

And Stanley then had the Red Sox a strike away from winning again when Mookie Wilson fouled off a pair, when that 0-2 slider broke ferociously inside, catcher Rich Gedman couldn't glove a still-catchable pitch, and Mitchel ran home as if he had a process server on his ass . . .

12 posted on 10/19/2011 1:52:05 PM PDT by BluesDuke (Another brief interlude from the small apartment halfway up in the middle of nowhere in particular)
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To: BluesDuke
Sorry if I got the pitch count wrong. BTW, one of my alma maters is the University of Texas. I was there when Roger Clemens, Calvin Schiraldi, and Greg Swindell were there (nice college pitching staff, if you can get it), so I was heavily invested in the Red Sox's pitching staff (and the blister on Clemens' finger that caused him to leave Game Six).

The '75 Series was rough for me. Red Sox v. Reds, with a relative playing for the Reds.

13 posted on 10/19/2011 2:02:02 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: dancusa
How much time did the 1986 NYM’s do in jail? Oil Can Boyd was late on his kung fu and porno movies returned and crucified in the press.
In 1986, one night---the night four Mets remained at Cooter's Bar in Houston, got rowdy even by '86 Mets standards, and spent the night in the clink.

After 1986, of course, was something else entirely for Darryl Strawberry, Dwight Gooden, and Lenny Dykstra in due course . . .

Meanwhile, one recalls Oil Can Boyd crowing before his Game Three World Series start, "I will master the Mets"---a promise he kept after the Mets hammered four runs out of him in the top of the first. Dykstra, the first Met batter of the game, hit a 1-1 pitch over the right field fence; Wally Backman and Keith Hernandez singled back-to-back; Gary Carter doubled Backman home; and, Danny Heep lined a two-out RBI single to center, before Boyd finally got out of the inning.

After five comparatively quiet innings during which the best the Red Sox could get off Bob Ojeda was an RBI single by Marty Barrett in the third, Carter hit a two-out, two-run single in the sixth. (The Mets tacked on the final run in the 7-1 win when Joe Sambito, himself an ex-Met, relieving Boyd to start the top of the seventh, surrendered a leadoff single to Strawberry, threw a wild pitch and suffered a passed ball with Ray Knight batting, before Knight sent Strawberry home with a double to the back of left field.)

14 posted on 10/19/2011 2:05:13 PM PDT by BluesDuke (Another brief interlude from the small apartment halfway up in the middle of nowhere in particular)
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To: Scoutmaster
BTW, one of my alma maters is the University of Texas. I was there when Roger Clemens, Calvin Schiraldi, and Greg Swindell were there (nice college pitching staff, if you can get it), so I was heavily invested in the Red Sox's pitching staff (and the blister on Clemens' finger that caused him to leave Game Six).
That staff won a College World Series if I recall.

I also read where the Mets learned the hard way what scouts had already seen of Roger Clemens and Calvin Schiraldi when they were at UT: Schiraldi was thought to have the superior stuff but Clemens was thought to be the harder worker. "Spoiled and lazy" were two adjectives used to describe Schiraldi. "We sure liked his stuff," a Met executive said of Schiraldi when they dealt him to the Red Sox for Bob Ojeda after 1985, "but something was missing."

The Mets got Ojeda in that deal because Ojeda was considered a clubhouse cancer by 1985. The reason---when it looked like there'd be a players' strike (there was: for one day) in 1985, Ojeda was one of the few Red Sox who supported the strike and one of the only ones to be vocal about it. Red Sox veterans opposed the strike generally; Dwight Evans reportedly said, in a players'-only meeting about the issue, "I've been here for more than ten years and [owners Haywood Sullivan and Jean Yawkey] have our best interests at heart." (That, about the people who botched the Carlton Fisk contract, among other things!)

When Ojeda was invited to speak up, he did: "You know, eff the owners. The owners don't give an eff about us. I don't care what you say, they're gonna try to pay us as little as they can. Yeah, if you're older, you don't want to miss a paycheck being on strike, but I'm young and I say eff them!"

Ojeda was cooked with the Red Sox after that. To him, getting to face them in the World Series was mother's milk. He couldn't wait to get a crack at the Red Sox, especially when Oil Can Boyd, his opponent, crowed before the game that the Mets skipping a pre-game workout to acquaint themselves with Fenway Park wasn't exactly a brilliant idea: Being down 2-0 and not checking out our ballpark, that doesn't show us too much respect. Them skipping a workout has to be to our advantage.

What Boyd forgot---the Mets were already familiar with Fenway's dimensions. They'd played a charity exhibition with the Red Sox in Fenway a month before the Series.

Davey Johnson, however, figured the best thing he could do for his team after they lost the first two at Shea Stadium would be to give them the day off. Except for Bob Ojeda, who had to sit for the customary pre-start press conference, not one Met showed up at Fenway Park until the day of Game Three.

The result was there for one and all to see. They lit Boyd like Times Square on New Year's Eve in the first inning and Ojeda kept the Red Sox to one run and five hits before handing off to Roger McDowell to finish with shutout relief.

15 posted on 10/19/2011 2:19:47 PM PDT by BluesDuke (Another brief interlude from the small apartment halfway up in the middle of nowhere in particular)
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Thanks. Did not know that back story. I did see Clemons make his pro debut for the New Britain Red Sox in 1983. He pitched the BritSox to the Eastern League championship in 1983. General admission tickets then were 3 dollars. I pay 5 dollars now for New Britain Rock Cats tickets. Great night out for cheap.


16 posted on 10/19/2011 2:43:25 PM PDT by dancusa (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. W. Churchill)
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That staff won a College World Series if I recall.

Yes, they won a CWS. The regional was in Austin and it was an impressive college pitching staff. The '82 UT team also featured Spike Owen at shortstop - and Owen was also on the ill-fated '86 Red Sox team.

17 posted on 10/19/2011 2:44:48 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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The '82 UT team also featured Spike Owen at shortstop - and Owen was also on the ill-fated '86 Red Sox team.
Spike Owen didn't start 1986 with the Red Sox---he was actually the Seattle Mariners' team captain when he was traded with Dave Henderson to the Red Sox for shortstop Rey Quinones. Owen eventually bounced around a bit and became somewhat notorious in 1993 when the Yankees signed him to a three-year deal---and had no place to put him when they were saturated with middle infielders, leaving the poor schnook to lead the team's infielders in one category: his salary.

Rey Quinones is remembered as an inconsistent and often indifferent player, though he had a terrific throwing arm and was once thought to be the Red Sox's shortstop of the future, but he also turned out to be a hypochondriac who sat out games with extremely minor injuries he feared would become major. He did have one moment in the sun, sort of: he earned notoriety when left the Mariners without position in 1988 when a close family member died in his native Puerto Rico.

18 posted on 10/19/2011 5:52:31 PM PDT by BluesDuke (Another brief interlude from the small apartment halfway up in the middle of nowhere in particular)
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