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Sarah Benson has a Ph.D. in art history and a master's in comparative literature, but this year she is teaching geometry. [Shannon Jensen for The New York Times]

Seeing Value in Ignorance, College Expects Its Physicists to Teach Poetry
Students in Ms. Benson's class discussing Euclid. [Shannon Jensen for The New York Times]

Seeing Value in Ignorance, College Expects Its Physicists to Teach Poetry

1 posted on 10/18/2011 9:35:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

Somehow, I don’t see this working; could just me ... time will tell.


3 posted on 10/18/2011 9:41:37 PM PDT by doc1019 (You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.)
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To: SunkenCiv

For a classic Liberal Arts or Arts and Sciences degree I see no problem. For specialization an undergraduate certificate from another school might do the trick.


5 posted on 10/18/2011 9:48:24 PM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Physisists teaching poetry?
I’m good with that ... finally poems we can understand !!

There once was a neutron Flomb.
Who had enough energy to make a bomb.
He shot through the air ...
Without any care ...
But because freakin EPA regulations and envirowhackos designated him as a threat to something or another, he was replaced by a government funded, dead-end, green project that caused the taxpayers to take it up the Rumb.

Okay ... maybe I should keep my day job.


7 posted on 10/18/2011 9:57:49 PM PDT by Nonsense Unlimited
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To: SunkenCiv

The look of despair in the second picture makes me laugh.

There is a high likelihood that every student in the class knows the material better than the teacher.


8 posted on 10/18/2011 9:57:49 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter Hobbit)
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To: SunkenCiv

I once found myself in a similar situation the first year I was on the faculty. The dean informed me I was now the faculty adviser to several students. Having no knowledge of the college’s requirements, very little acquaintance with course offerings (other than my own field), I was thrown into the deep end with no preparation or help. I chose to offer my “students” general advice on course loads and how to approach work and study. They were told, “You can read the catalog as well as I can, you find me the requirement you have to meet for your degree, show me the pages and I’ll sign off on it.”

I suppose it taught them some independent thinking and resourcefulness, but it was not a smart move on the dean’s part. At least I wasn’t required to teach Quantum Physics.


9 posted on 10/18/2011 10:02:03 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: SunkenCiv

I like the approach, but the 43,000/yr tuition seems excessive.


10 posted on 10/18/2011 10:07:46 PM PDT by cryptical (The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The only difficulty that Proposition 32 presents is not uncommon in mathematics: It’s conclusion is so painfully obvious that it seems hard to get there from here when you’re already there. Anyone with a modicum of perspicacity might resolve the difficulty, only with the requirement that they accept that there is a proof to be had, on the authority of Euclid.


11 posted on 10/18/2011 10:37:11 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: SunkenCiv

St. John’s is a highly remarkable institution; in an age of dumbing down and eschewing the classics, this institution not only demands mastery of the basics and a familiarity with the full range of Western intellectual history, it relies almost exclusively on classical texts in its curriculum.

In an age of morons, St. John’s holds the line.


13 posted on 10/18/2011 10:53:57 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: SunkenCiv

The diagram on the board behind Ms. Benson is in Heath’s Euclid, Book II, Proposition I. This book is the geometrical expression of elementary algebra, and Prop. I is nothing but our old friend, Mister Distributive Property, as I always like to say.

I have to admit that I would like to know what’s up with the arrows and bars on the vertical lines of the diagram, though! Added for emphasis, I guess.


14 posted on 10/18/2011 10:54:29 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: SunkenCiv

This school is using the classical model for their academic standard. They understand what it means to be educated in the real and lasting sense. Most people in the United States view college as a vocational school where you earn a degree necessary for a particular job. St. John’s on the other hand, is teaching students to think independently. SOunds like an excellent school, but certainly expensive.


16 posted on 10/18/2011 11:06:17 PM PDT by sueuprising (The best of it is, God is with us-John Wesley)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well, Geometry is pretty simple.

I hope they don’t ask her to teach linear algebra or calculus without some training though. I’m not sayin
she is not smart enough to do that...I think anyone of
average intelligence could if they were so inclined.


18 posted on 10/18/2011 11:20:54 PM PDT by Bobalu (More rubble, less trouble)
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To: SunkenCiv

My daughter is 16 and a sophomore at a major university. She started at 13. I’ve spent countless hours on campus in the library listening to absolutely moronic conversations. She recently had mid-terms and scored in the top percentile in her classes. There were more Ds and Fs in her classes than As, Bs, Cs combined. Universities are so dumbed downed someone with half a brain could teach most of the classes.


19 posted on 10/19/2011 12:12:57 AM PDT by pops88 (Geek chick over 40)
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To: SunkenCiv

Sounds good to me. A (good) teacher who is struggling to learn the subject matter is usually a better teacher then the “expert” who knows the subject too well to actually teach it.


23 posted on 10/19/2011 4:37:11 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: SunkenCiv

“Still, not even the most rabid reformer has suggested that biology be taught by social theorists, or Marx by mathematicians”

With a little bit of preparation, the typical math professor is far more competent to teach Marx than the typical Marxist professor is to teach college-level mathematics. This statement illustrates just how revered Marx is among NYT writers.

Note that I wrote “college-level mathematics”. It should be unremarkable that an art history PhD is capable of teaching Euclid’s geometry, which is high-school level mathematics.. Mastery of Euclid’s geometry has been a prerequisite of higher education since, well, the beginning of higher education. Plato (427-347 BC), the philosopher most esteemed by the Greeks, had inscribed above the entrance to his famous school, “Let none ignorant of geometry enter here.” It used to be rigorously taught to college bound 10th graders. One wonders why a college would be teaching high school level material. Or not ...


28 posted on 10/19/2011 8:05:58 AM PDT by Skepolitic
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