HERM not “Herb”.
People around here just make stuff up and think it’s fact.
Too lazy to do 15 seconds research typing one word on a search engine..
I watched the interview. She called him Herb.
She also didn’t say “shackley”, but the media quoted her as saying that, and they laughed, because they claimed it wasn’t a real word.
She said, “shackling”, which is a REAL WORD.