Posted on 10/14/2011 6:45:47 AM PDT by LOC1
Texas Education Agency is reporting Hispanics make up more than 50% of all races in public schools. Houston schools has an even larger percent of Hispanics. No one that I’ve seen is reporting the percent of illegal Hispanics and anchor babies, but it is a large sized portion. Texas schools are also falling in test scores as we’re teaching to the lowest common denomiator. These kids are coming to school with the same rude attitutes their parents have during Mexican protest parades, that Texas belongs to Mexico and the government owes them everyting on a silver platter.
I don’t have to complain about crap. I’m going to vote against your candidate if he hasn’t crashed and totally burned before primary time. That’s what I’m gonna do. Arguing with you P-Bots is pointless.
Jr. B was roomed with an illegal in his college dorm. Do NOT get me started on all the free perks the roommate was getting on my tax dollar. It was lots more than just tuition. It was everything from books to food to excess monies the college gave back to be spent anyway he wanted. Party time, yehaw!
Well, you were complaining about it, then you were called on it, then you pretended you didnt care, and finally you resort to name calling and topic switching.
Just about what I expected.
You ‘called me’ on nothing. All you did was provide weak equivocation about cost categories and the effects. You people overlook the disease, criminality, theft of public resources, and a host of other ills they have brought to us as a nation. And, then you declared victory because I didn’t specifically list how they cost us.
Look, giving them in-state, out-of-state tuition, or even sanctioning them to attend college at all legitimizes them in a fashion. If you Texans cannot see that then you deserve what you get. But, you won’t be foisting your governor off on the rest of this country without a damned vigorous fight.
First, academic admission to the top tier colleges in Texas is a challenge. For some of the schools it is arguably as difficult as achieving admission to one of the Ivy League schools.
The admissions requirements alone, tend to reduce the supposed attractiveness of in state tuition for children who are not documented.
Secondly, Texas in-state tuition and out-of-state tuition compare favorably to other schools in the nation. It is certainly cheaper for a student from an Ivy League state to attend college at a top school in Texas than it is for a Texas student to attend an Ivy League college. Data is available here: http://www.kiplinger.com/tools/colleges/ Note that the data compares public schools.
So, Texas is not treating students from other states any differently, and in fact more favorably, than those states treat Texas students.
As for undocumented students. Here are the requirements: a student is allowed to pay in-state tuition if he has attended high school in Texas for 36 consecutive months, has graduated from a Texas high school, and, in the case of an undocumented student, signs an affidavit saying he will apply for legal status as soon as he is legally able to do so.
So what does that mean in practice?
Two examples from my son’s friends might be illustrative.
The first was a young man whose mother was born from American citizen parents living in Canada. She lived in Canada, where she met a Swede. They married and bore a son while living in Canada. The parents divorced, and the mother and son moved to Texas, where she obtained US citizenship.
She applied for citizenship for her son when she was allowed to do so. The application was tied up in the US bureaucracy for years.
The son graduated high school and was accepted for admission to a Texas college, where he was eligible for in-state tuition. He was an “affidavit” student, in fact an illegal alien.
Subsequently, his application for US citizenship was denied. He left Texas and moved to Canada, where he obtained Canadian citizenship. He now is attending college in Canada at a lower cost than the in-state tuition in Texas. So much for the supposed lure of Texas in-state tuition. After graduation, he will apply for work visa in the US, as he wants to return to his family home.
The second young man is the son of a family from Malaysia.
His father was transferred to Texas by a major oil company under a US work permit. They lived in Texas for a number of years, and the son attended public school here.
During the last year of high school, the father was transferred back to Malaysia.
The son elected to complete his high school education here with his classmates, at that point he was an illegal alien.
He met the academic requirements and was accepted by a college in Texas. He applied for a student visa.
He met the residency requirements. While waiting on the student visa, he was an “affidavit student” at a Texas college paying in-state tuition. Subsequently, his student visa was granted and he is now working on a master’s degree. He also will apply for a work visa when that becomes an option.
Interestingly, while I know of the history of these two classmates of my son, I do not know of a single example that those of you from outside Texas must envision when you think of “in-state tuition for illegals.” I have no idea how typical or atypical the above examples might be. What I do know is that they are based on very valid personal experience. I have yet to see an account of the other type of illegal immigrant obtaining in-state tuition that many of you write about in generalized terms. Surely there must be someone from Texas that has some personal knowledge to share.
My son attended a very large high school in the Houston area, so one would think that among his friends, there should have been an example. There just is not, although many of his friends are from other countries.
So based on our family’s experience, I think that many of the “affidavit” students must have circumstances similar to my son’s friends. That being the case, the current law seems to treat them and the state of Texas fairly.
To:LOC1
Please get the facts straight before you comment on something you think you know about. The college tution is paid for by the illegals at an in state rate rather than an out of state rate. The college tution is not costing the tax payers any money. I don’t like it but let’s try and get the facts correct before mouthing off.
I called you out on the lie that you had to pay for it. Then you pretended like you didnt care about it in the first place.
If the Federal Government does not deport them, what do you suggest the state does?
Your main ‘hitch’ point with my responses is “how in-state tuition” costs me, a non-Texan, money. Actually, i
it does in either category.
Show me one Texas school that is not public that doesn’t get money from the Federal Government, some of it via my tax dollars. Show me just one. In some of the cases this money is doled out on minority enrollment. Giving illegals in-state tuition ups those number. Go think about it and get back to me. I’d love to waste more of your time keeping you from filling this forum with unchallenged Perry mania.
What’s the dropout rate for illegal immigrants in Texas’ public schools, Mr. Griswold? If anyone is allowed to even ask that question!
It’s about 50% for male Hispanics in South Texa,
Abilene Christian University
Amberton University
Arlington Baptist College
Austin Graduate School of Theology
Bay Ridge Christian College
Baylor University
Christ For The Nations Institute
Central Western University
College of Saint Thomas More
Concordia University
Dallas Christian College
East Texas Baptist University
Graduate Institute of Applied Linguistics
Hardin-Simmons University
Houston Baptist University
Howard Payne University
Huston-Tillotson University
Jarvis Christian College
LeTourneau University
Lubbock Christian University
North American College
Northwood University
Our Lady of the Lake University
Rice University
St. Edward’s University
St. Mary’s University, Texas
Southern Methodist University
Southwestern Adventist University
Southwestern Assemblies of God University
Southwestern Christian College
Texas Baptist College
Texas Christian University
Texas College
Texas Wesleyan University
Trinity University
University of Mary Hardin-Baylor
University of St. Thomas
University of the Incarnate Word
Wayland Baptist University
Western Texas College
Wiley College
Now if you are counting Federal Grants to students as what you have to pay, then giving them in-state tuition vs out of state tuition actually reduces the amount of grant money needed, reducing your burden.
If you dont want illegals going to school, that is fine. But dont pretend that in-state tuition is what really makes you mad.
In 1997 wasn't Perry a democrat?
Cue the “illegals are ticks” crowd...
Please get a grip on reality.
The money illegals are getting via welfare, food stamps, subsidized housing ALLOWS them to use it for tuition, at a REDUCED RATE FOR ILLEGALS, which effectively comes out of Taxpayers' pockets.
I don't need no steenkin' illegals breaking into OUR HOUSE (aka, the USA), and then getting treated as part of OUR FAMILY (U.S. Citizens).
As far as I'm concerned, a $1000 bounty on every illegal that's turned in should be paid, and ship their ass back where they came from.
You think Illegals deserve ANY Benefits that are taxpayer-funded OR subsidized?
As usual you fit your rebuttal to minimize the argument and further drive home my point. My challenge was to show me one public university that didn't take Federal money, that further added sub-divided with convoluted logic that at least in-state vs. out-state cost me less? How screwed up is that. It only costs the illegal less. If some of the money is doled on minority attendance, it isn't pro-rated on tuition....give it a rest why don't you?
Lastly, But dont pretend that in-state tuition is what really makes you mad. I wasn't pretending anything. I'm serious as a heart attack about ANY illegal benefiting in ANY way by being here in this country. I just respond to you Perry-bots because you always start out your specious arguments with the "in-state doesn't cost you anything" BS.
Obviously they are willing to support a candidate when he agrees with them regarding illegal aliens. Why wouldn’t they?
Perry switched to Republican in 1989.
No, he was in his 6th year of being the first Republican Ag Commissioner in Texas’ history.
You asked a question, I responded, and you are mad about that.
Then work to get welfare, food stamps, and subsidized housing for illegals removed.
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