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Red Hat engineer renews attack on Windows 8-certified secure boot
The Register ^ | 26 September 2011 | John Leyden

Posted on 09/27/2011 8:25:02 AM PDT by ShadowAce

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1 posted on 09/27/2011 8:25:12 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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2 posted on 09/27/2011 8:25:47 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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I’m glad Red Hat is on this.

Microsoft’s tactics are very shady. They deserve to be embarrassed in news reports for what they’re doing.

Even for anybody who is a fanatic of their particular brand of OS and may not be affected by this, everybody should see this for what it is and be outraged by it.


3 posted on 09/27/2011 8:28:30 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: ShadowAce

It strikes me that Microsoft is playing a word game typical of progressives.

They’re trying to make it seem as if they mean ‘security’ as in, secure from viruses, or spyware, or pick your security related topic.

What they’re doing though is quite different. They’re making machines specified so that they are “Secured to only boot windows”.

They could easily open source this technology if it wasn’t the case, so as to prove that they aren’t purposely trying to lock out the competition.


4 posted on 09/27/2011 8:31:36 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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I opined once (on another thread) that the Linux community owed a debt to Microsoft for making PC's a commodity item, and that a lot of development was done on PC's that originally shipped with Windows installed.

I was informed this was bullshit, and that the Linux community would just build their own PC's if it they didn't have old Windows PCs to re-purpose.

5 posted on 09/27/2011 8:34:16 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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It strikes me that Microsoft is playing a word game typical of progressives.

That's been their MO since I can remember.

Of course, it helps that they were founded by a couple of huge liberals.

6 posted on 09/27/2011 8:35:04 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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I despise the attempts that Microsoft has used to try and maintain a monopoly. Their software is so complex because of their motives that most users have huge problems keeping it use-able. All the “slime ware” that infects most MS computers are about someone making money by ads which MS has enabled. It was part of the plan from the beginning.

I have very little problems with computers (Microsoft or Linux based) but that is not the case for most operators.

It was especially prevalent with Vista users. (a real dog of an OS)

7 posted on 09/27/2011 8:38:53 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: tacticalogic
You were informed incorrectly.

But then--you were also wrong.

By the time Linus posted his now famous usenet post, 386 PCs were pretty standard, but PCs with Windows pre-installed on them were not. 1991 was still the era of Windows 3.1, and no standard software images were being installed pre-sale. Since he lived in Finland at the time, it's difficult to say with certainty whether he had ever had Windows installed on that machine.

8 posted on 09/27/2011 8:39:55 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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I don’t think the details matter much, as long as I was wrong.


9 posted on 09/27/2011 8:42:27 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
I opined once (on another thread) that the Linux community owed a debt to Microsoft for making PC's a commodity item

Depending on your age and perspective you might say the real debt was to IBM for the standardization of the platform. Microsoft was a beneficiary of that, as was Linux.

10 posted on 09/27/2011 8:43:18 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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LOL! For the record, I think you were closer to the truth than what you were told.


11 posted on 09/27/2011 8:43:27 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Texas Fossil
Depending on your age and perspective you might say the real debt was to IBM for the standardization of the platform. Microsoft was a beneficiary of that, as was Linux.

I agree IBM standardized the platform, but then they turned around and tried to make it proprietary with the PS/2 and MCA.

IMHO, Microsoft writing their OS to be as hardware-agnostic as possible drove the develoment of new hardware on several fronts.

I've seen many people rave about Apple's business model, but I've never been able to get them to say they think that the industry would be better off today if Microsoft and IBM had adopted that same model back in '81.

12 posted on 09/27/2011 8:49:30 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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I’m not sure why this is Microsoft’s fault. This should be a good security measure against rootkits, and the decision to have the option to disable it is entirely up the the hardware manufacturer.


13 posted on 09/27/2011 8:53:03 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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-——————I opined once (on another thread) that the Linux community owed a debt to Microsoft for making PC’s a commodity item-——————

I could go along with that.

Apple’s OSs have typically been much more............. bossy........ than Microsoft’s. Until recently. MS wants to end this before it gets any worse.

Apple computers may have still made computers a commodity, but this sort of strong arm tactic is one that Apple would’ve employed long, long ago. IMHO.


14 posted on 09/27/2011 8:55:20 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: tacticalogic

That assumes that microsoft’s motives are actually to defend against root kits.

I have little doubt that this is all about competition. “Securing” their future as a monopolist.


15 posted on 09/27/2011 8:59:50 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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Cry Babies!
16 posted on 09/27/2011 9:01:11 AM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
That assumes that microsoft’s motives are actually to defend against root kits.

No, it doesn't. Whether it provides protecion against rootkits is a techncal question who's answer has nothing to do with whether that was the intended purpose or not.

We've had quite enough problems with flame wars based on unsubstatiated accusations about motives on these threads, and calls to limit discussion to technical issues and the relative merits based on that criteria.

If you want to start a flame war, go find somebody else to help you start it.

17 posted on 09/27/2011 9:15:10 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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Is this going to be the start of the decline of Microsoft?


18 posted on 09/27/2011 9:16:08 AM PDT by chainsaw (I'd hate to be a democrat running against Sarah Palin.)
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To: tacticalogic
Microsoft writing their OS to be as hardware-agnostic as possible drove the develoment of new hardware on several fronts.

That statement is from the perspective of Microsoft single handed direction of the PC development. It did not. I am old enough to remember TRS-DOS, NewDOS, CPM and all the Windows platforms. (and quite a few more)

Microsoft "bought" their first OS, did not write it. They have been excellent marketers, but have a long history of loving monopoly positions. Freedom works, but MS is not about that. Competition works, but MS is not about that.

I am not a MS hater, but I know what they are about. I love technology, but am always wary of motives.

19 posted on 09/27/2011 9:21:34 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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Ms OS sequence:

Poor: 3.x, 95, 98, ME, Vista

Solid: NT, 2000, XP, W7/64

IMHO, W8 has all chances to follow along ME and Vista.

20 posted on 09/27/2011 9:25:03 AM PDT by DTA (U.S. Centcom vs. U.S. AFRICOM)
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