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Pretty ignorant comment to those who actually served in an Infantry or Combat Arms unit. Especially to those who served in combat.

You are completely missing my point. This has nothing to do with where they served. This is about ATTITUDE. Not everyone that serves comes out with that pathetic attitude of, "Don't question me son. You just dont get it". My father servered. My sister, my brother-in-law, most of my coworkers. And guess what? They don't cop that kinda BS attitude to 'win' dicussions.

You are completely missing my point. Col Vit’s real life example has everything to do with it. Three Marine snipers were killed in their sleep. It illustrates the extreme reality of the situation.

It has nothing to do with what he was trying to argue because it is a 'straw man'. That is the technical term for a fake argument someone is using to take the place of their opponent. NO ONE is trying to claim sleeping on duty is a trivial matter. Hence it is insulting to the rest of us to toss out that 'no sh!7 there I was' stuff and assume that wins the discussion. It doesn't because it is nothing but a distraction for the ACTUAL discussion. The actual discussion was, "was there a better way to handle this situation".

You don’t find that in the fantasyland of the range, Talon.

'Fantasy Land' has nothing to do with anything. Some people need to get their head out of the fox hole, take a step back and actually try to debate and solve the issue. As long as people in the field or fresh from the field have that 'you can't handle the truth' attitude toward anyone question what goes on then stuff like this will get glossed over and swept under the rug.

I have worked a large portion of my adult life trying to make high quality devices and equipment for the military to use. I, and my compatriots in the defense industry try to do our best to think about the needs of the guy in the fields and what will make his life safer, better and get the mission done. Attitudes like what I see here make me as 'why do I even bother.' Why should I work my butt off to fix a bug that might risk someone in the field if their attitude is "Yeah we had to get him to kill himself. It is better that way." That is not problem solving. That is stupidity. And it is a gross dereliction of the responsibilities of those in command. I don't need to have been shot at by terrorists to state that. If it is a fantasy land to expect better of our people then we might as well disband the whole military now. We can ALWAY expect better. We have the RIGHT to expect better. Anyone who does not agree with that has some serious misunderstandings about the spirit and the meaning behind oath they took.

“a ‘straw man’. That is the technical term for a fake argument someone is using to take the place of their opponent. “

lol, you may want to google that. A strawman is illustrated in a few of your posts. After you google, see if you can fine them.

“a ‘straw man’. That is the technical term for a fake argument someone is using to take the place of their opponent. “

lol, you may want to google that. A strawman is illustrated in a few of your posts. After you google, see if you can find them.