[fnord]

earlier you said it “always” worked, but I guess that perfect record is shot.

unless the intent was something different. then perhaps this story can be considered a “success” also.

just curious, if one of your targets had then gone and shot himself, what level of culpability would you have had? would you have felt guilty? changed your methods? would the high-fiving at least have been more subdued?

as has been pointed out this entire thread, real leaders don’t encourage this kind of behavior, real leaders stop it.

[A_perfect_lady]

That's the same question that is frustrating me because I cannot get certain folks on here to address an obvious fact: If the kid had been able to help himself, I think he would have. Because generally, being smacked around, punished, harrassed, etc, puts an end to mere laziness. Someone who falls asleep once on guard duty needs his butt kicked. And as certain posters claim, this ALWAYS solves the problem... if the problem is that the kid is a lazy, stupid dirtbag. So here you have a situation that none of the die-hards seem ever to have encountered: someone who falls asleep even after they've been shamed, punished, abused, etc... FOUR TIMES. This is more than mere laziness, this is Exhibit A of some sort of psychological problem (Exhibit B being suicide.)

But when this is pointed out, they simply refuse to look at it, they just go back to their original claim that the kid deserved it. I think some of them think that being in the military makes them an expert on anything to do with the military. But it doesn't make them mental health experts. (In fact, a few of them... well, never mind.)