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To: cva66snipe

Different missions.

...and I would add that the mind can also do amazing things with serious motivational factors involved. For instance, a veteran Taliban wants to cut your throat while you sleep.

There needs to be an avenue for getting the liability out of the field asap or people will do what they have to do, to survive.

The sad thing is that they will punish the enlisted grunt for assaulting this guy, when the person who is responsible is the person who had the authority to get him out of the field...and didn’t.


169 posted on 08/23/2011 8:41:10 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Perry Palin Perry Pallin Perry Paliln Perry Palin....Rubio?)
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To: rbmillerjr
Different missions.

Not really. One screw up you can die and sink the ship. Same with working in The Hole on any surface ship. That's why we did 4 and 4's or 6 and 6 depending on where we worked. Starting at 0800 it could go 4 hours work, followed by 4 hours watch, 4-6 more hours work, the sometime that night you stood another 4 hours watch meaning broken sleep and everyone was in the shop by 0700 to start the work day.

Most of us got six hours rack time on most nights except for ORE's off GITMO which was 30 days about every 18 months or so. The at sea working conditions? About 115-125 plus degrees in 100% humidity. Those were the at sea hours. In port which averaged at the most 90 days a year it was a 0700-1530 work day.

I did quite a few all nighters working on critical gear and usually my senior NCO above me gave at least 4 of the work hours off the next morning if he came in and the gear was back up. My shop at times had a total of everyone standing 12 hours of watch in four hour shifts in 24 hours if we were short usally due too training someone. If fully manned we generally had a total 8 hours of watch in 24 and 4 of that was in sleep time at night. Our watches were roving ones. The gear still had to run too in off watch hours.

...and I would add that the mind can also do amazing things with serious motivational factors involved. For instance, a veteran Taliban wants to cut your throat while you sleep.

True but for only so long and that is the point being missed in this thread. How about 1200 PSI super heated steam where a pin head leak can cut your head off? Dangerous enough? BTW you can't see it you can't hear it. One wrong move a limbs gone. A 1200 PSI boiler {8 per carrier on the old conventionals} exploding one could have disintegrate a ship. Ever see what a simple exploding hot water heater can do to a house?

There needs to be an avenue for getting the liability out of the field asap or people will do what they have to do, to survive.

That has been an issue for decades. It is becoming far more an issue now because a very limited number of troops are doing the patrols etc meaning less patrol rotations in combat and more time in country as well. This was that guys first time in country. How much more so is it possible for a third or forth tour member too snap?

The sad thing is that they will punish the enlisted grunt for assaulting this guy, when the person who is responsible is the person who had the authority to get him out of the field...and didn’t.

First offense should have brought serious NJP by the unit C.O. and if warranted an extensive medical work up. Again by a neurologist and not by a Medic. Second offense without medical cause? Court Martial and/or out of service. The fact he was there a fourth time says break down in the chain of command likely brought on from the fact there are simply not enough active duty and reservist to do the job any more.

We are operating a military at war on 1996 End Troop Strengths with a record low. Everyone wants too hang a sleeping Marine and seem to say Oh Well He Offed Himself.

Until the conditions which are causing these issues too develop are addressed by Congress in the form of more troops or get out of a two-three nation war at current End Troop Strengths it will not go away.

186 posted on 08/23/2011 9:30:12 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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