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To: miss marmelstein
his awful wife Cosima attempted to bail Hitler out of jail

I believe they may be confusing Cosima with her DiL Winifred. Cosima was a very old and infirm lady by the time Hitler rose to prominence. I'm not sure she could really be faulted (much) for supporting him anyway, since she died in 1930, well before he took power. It's not like she or anyone else could see into the future, any more than we can.

Winifred, OTOH -- who was English, not German -- was a die-hard, unrepentant Nazi, even after the war. People even speculated that she was one of Hitler's girlfriends.

32 posted on 08/19/2011 3:05:18 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Campion

It was Winifred. She was British and was married off to the homosexual Siegfried Wagner. She (and the family) became close friends with Hitler. It’s very instructive to view H.J.Syberberg’s interview with Winifred (it got him banned from Bayreuth). She really didn’t see Hitler as a bad man, he was just a good friend of the family. She was very naive in that respect. On the plus side, and pretty much what saved her in the war’s aftermath was that she interceded for many Jewish artists - directly to Hitler and to the chagrin of his henchmen.

Wagner was a great composer, a true giant. Personally he was a complete creep. Hitler also very much misunderstood Wagner. He took what he wanted and that was extremely superficial.


36 posted on 08/19/2011 3:18:55 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Campion

It was Winifred. She was British and was married off to the homosexual Siegfried Wagner. She (and the family) became close friends with Hitler. It’s very instructive to view H.J.Syberberg’s interview with Winifred (it got him banned from Bayreuth). She really didn’t see Hitler as a bad man, he was just a good friend of the family. She was very naive in that respect. On the plus side, and pretty much what saved her in the war’s aftermath was that she interceded for many Jewish artists - directly to Hitler and to the chagrin of his henchmen.

Wagner was a great composer, a true giant. Personally he was a complete creep. Hitler also very much misunderstood Wagner. He took what he wanted and that was extremely superficial.


37 posted on 08/19/2011 3:20:08 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Campion
Thanks for the correction. I've gotta get back to the one or two Wagner bios I have because my husband and I are fans of opera. I've forgotten some of the details of his genuis and his truly despicable character - which even people of his generation acknowledged.
39 posted on 08/19/2011 4:21:16 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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