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Does Loving Linux Make Us Dislike Windows?
Datamation ^ | 8 August 2011 | Matt Hart

Posted on 08/11/2011 5:48:55 AM PDT by ShadowAce

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To: oh8eleven
I've been around computers since the punch card days. While I'm NO fan of Windows, this article is nothing more than another whining "my dad can kick your dad's butt."

I only go back to paper tape and core memory, but you are quite right.

There has been ample shareware, freeware, trialware etc. since the CPM days. CPM, AppleDOS, 680x0 MacOS, MS-DOS, Windows, OS2, Amiga, BeOS and a boatload of others have always had these.

With Linux, you get critical mass for some of these products, but OpenCalc still ain't Excel. None of the database front ends are as good as FileMaker Pro or even Access. The best of the apps get ported to Windows as well.

Linux provides an important function, as do major Unixes (AIX, HP/UX, BSD), MacOS and, yes, Windows. All of them have a role, which is why so many large organizations have some of each.
21 posted on 08/11/2011 6:51:43 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: ShadowAce

It also sounds like someone who has never owned a motor vehicle, home or GIRLFRIEND! All require a healthy amount of moolah to keep in top performance (especially the girlfriend!)


22 posted on 08/11/2011 6:53:00 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy ("But resist, we much! We must and we will much about that be committed!" - Al Sharpton)
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To: ShadowAce
I hope nobody misunderstands my comments. IMO a person should use whatever OS they want and what kind of box they want.
For me, and I think for most people, a computer is just a tool. Nothing more.

AMD/Intel/Mac(which I guess is Intel now)/Win/Linux/home-built/custom built/built at the factory/ whatever. If it does what you need it to do...good.

I've had all my computers built to the specs I wanted. I use Win XP 'cause thats what I know and it works for me.
Somebody wanna use something different...no sweat to me.


I do get a bit annoyed at the Apple fan bois & gurlz though....but I think annoying is part of their genetic assembly...heh heh heh
23 posted on 08/11/2011 6:55:13 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: huldah1776
since college papers turned in (online classes) must be in Word Doc format, is it possible to still use Linux?

Generally, Yes. Almost all of the Linux based word processors write & read .doc file format. But, there are some things in recent MS Office .doc file formats that may cause problems. RTF is pretty universal if you have a failure on that type of document. You can try Abiword ported for Windows to test and see if it will work for you. It is not an office suite, but a pretty fair word processor and it is a light application. Open Office and Libra Office are much more advanced if you want to try them.

Go to http://www.linuxlinks.com and look at the software listing.

The word processors are here: http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Wordprocessors

Abiword is downloadable here: http://www.abisource.com/download/

24 posted on 08/11/2011 6:56:41 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: ShadowAce

I am of the opinion that computers (and the software that runs on them) are basically tools. If someone wrote an article that said that “Just because I love my shovel does that mean I have to hate my rake?” (notice I didn’t say hoe LOL), that would be an absurd statement, at least in my view. The analogy is perhaps not an exact one but it gets the point across.

I admit to being a bit of a linux fanboy myself, but my rational side would say “just use the best tool for the job”.


25 posted on 08/11/2011 6:56:50 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: ThunderSleeps

“I prefer not having to upgrade or outright replace my computer every time a new version of the OS comes out. (typing this on a 6 year old Dell, that was at best middle of the road for performance when it was new) “
^^^^^^^^^

I’m typing this on a 10-year old computer with 512MB RAM on Ubuntu 10.10 and it handles fine. I’m going to move it to Linux Mint XFCE and it will be even quicker.


26 posted on 08/11/2011 7:01:06 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
computers (and the software that runs on them) are basically tools

Bump. Flame Wars suck.

27 posted on 08/11/2011 7:01:57 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: PastorBooks

XFCE is great.


28 posted on 08/11/2011 7:03:21 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: ShadowAce
Windows?? What's that??

I'm a retired engineer(computers). Been using Linux at home for almost 20 years. It works. It does everything I need. Never had a virus. Never had a data lose. Never had a security problem.

Before retiring, I had to deal with that POS(Windows). Never again!

29 posted on 08/11/2011 7:32:54 AM PDT by CharlyFord (t)
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To: CharlyFord

There is quite simply not a day that goes by that I don’t interact with both Windows and Linux for all sorts of tasks both work and personal. I can only conclude that they each have their strengths and their place - else one would have driven the other out of the workplace and/or the home.


30 posted on 08/11/2011 7:50:49 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: CharlyFord
Before retiring, I had to deal with that POS(Windows).
Did you ever think that it may not have been Windows fault?
After 20 years of "blissfully" dealing w/ Linux, do you think you might - just might - have been a little biased before (and during) your encounter with Windows?
31 posted on 08/11/2011 8:17:13 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: ShadowAce
I'm in a good situation here--while the official desktop is Windows, I am allowed to use my Linux laptop. My business case for it is that (since I am a Linux admin) I can connect to the servers I'm responsible for a lot easier. It makes my job more productive.

I have a windows laptop at work that does exactly one thing - outlook. It's basically a couple of thousand dollars worth of an email terminal, because the underlying OS just doesn't work the way I do.

I need multiple desktops, and a real shell with tools that will actually let me automate stuff that would otherwise take far too much of my time, or not be possible at all without an in-house programmer. I need to have direct shell access both to and from my box, along with a webserver, ftp (anonymous only), and scp server so I can move files from one place to another without the hassel of 'shares', and other artificial weirdness.

I'm sure windows is fine for people who don't actually have to do multiple tasks simultaneously, and can focus on their one program they are working on at the moment. I'm sure it's fine for people who don't value their time enough to put up with scanning for viruses, malware, and other crap that seems to be attracted to Microsoft operating systems like a big Hoover vacuum. I just don't have the time to mess with all the crap that comes with being a MS-Windows user.

I also like knowing that by backing up my /home partition, even after a catastrophic disk failure, I can get my entire system back within a few hours (most of that time is the data restore) in exactly the same condition it was today right down to the individual tweaks I've made to my personal desktop settings.


I'm glad there is choice out there. Different people like different things. Different people have different needs and requirements. Thank God we have the ability to choose that which works best for us as individuals. Mac users can be happy, MS-Windows users can be happy, and Linux users can be happy because they have what is best for them.



32 posted on 08/11/2011 8:27:44 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: jimjohn
I’d love nothing more than to switch to Linux. But I’m trapped here in a windows shop.

As a service tech, I feel your pain. I very much prefer linux, but my business is driven by an ability to fix windows. So i am invariably drawn back to, and basically stuck on windows. It's ubiquity is it's greatest strength.

However, IMHO, there are parts of this OP which do not ring true - It is no easy thing to set up a cross-platform network with linux either, especially for a n00b... Samba config is one of my biggest b*tches about linux, and one of the most important things left undone by automated installation processes. Printers and peripherals are not always easy either. And Man pages necessary to linux config are probably worse than the troubleshooting available for windows - if for no other reason than the sheer number of manpages available - and their relatively obscure locations. I have literally scoured the web for days trying to solve a bug or annoyance.

There is no question that Linux is the superior system, by nearly every measurable standard. But by the same token, to the uninitiated, it is also the more difficult to manage. I service some few SOHO and residential Linux boxen, and those brave individuals have had a tremendous learning curve to accomplish. Not that that is entirely a bad thing - informed users are safe users. but I am still loathe to create a linux installation that doesn't pick up everything from a live disk run or a WUBI install... Those occasions where I deny Linux to a client are becoming less frequent, to be sure (Ubuntu was the hallmark distro that really changed that drastically), but still more often than I would prefer.

In that perfect condition, a n00b can be up and running (functional) in mere hours, operating quite freely using most apps, and functioning well in most user-only type operations... But the journey from n00b to intermediate level (say, power user) is an excruciating process.

33 posted on 08/11/2011 8:31:12 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: for-q-clinton
but the biggest feature is the security.

Much ado about nothing - most virus authors have gotten around UAC by now... and that is the main sec difference between XP and Vista/Seven. Give me 20 seconds on a win 7 box (ANY win platform actually) as a guest and I can be sitting on a SYSTEM desktop (not Admin now, but SYSTEM). I do it all the time in order to kill tough bugs or delete files that will not die... getting admin on a cold start is a piece of cake. So is shutting off UAC on the next restart from a cold box... elevating from user, too. nothing has changed much.

34 posted on 08/11/2011 8:41:52 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: ShadowAce
Its human nature, people like to "pick sides", as if they have too. But it is especially compelling to pick the side, if they are the underdog. Then they become haters of the other side. That explains the Apple fanboi's. Linux users can be similar. It feels good to be a part of the brethren.

Politics and sports are similar, once you pick a side, you tend to hate on the opposition.. just human nature. I try my best to avoid that.

35 posted on 08/11/2011 8:42:26 AM PDT by Paradox (Obnoxious, Bumbling, Absurd, Maladroit, Assinine)
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To: ShadowAce
During several discussions with Linux users, the topic of store-bought software and peripheral driver CDs came up. If you've ever run a printer driver installation CD, you know exactly what I'm about to say. Installing a Windows driver using these discs is an exercise in patience and sanity.

Oh, you ain't kidding! One particularly egregious example: I was once doing some programming work with my laptop in a customer's facility. When I wanted to print, I naturally decided to use one of their networked printers and downloaded the "driver" (70MB!!). So then I install the thing, and it gives me all sorts of spyware and other feces-ware along with the driver. So I use Windows uninstall, which WAS provided, on the other crap, and it uninstalls the driver along with!!

They've designed their crap to actively PREVENT you from cleaning it out of your system, by taking the 2MB you actually WANT along with it! Crapware being provided with drivers has been a severe pet peeve of mine ever since and I make it a point to defeat it, even if it might be harmless in a given case, just on the principle.

36 posted on 08/11/2011 8:43:15 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: ShadowAce
My official work desktop is sitting on my desk, running headless, mouseless, and keyboardless. I remote into it whenever I need to use the one and only Windows app that I can't get running on Linux--Lotus Notes (the only reason I can't get it running on Linux is that I don't have the install disks available).

VMware (and other VM software for all I know) will let you clone an existing physical machine into a VM that you can run on your Linux box. See, no Notes reinstall required! It doesn't even know it's running on new (virtualized) hardware. The only way I could see that not working is if Notes has copy protection keyed to HD serial numbers or MAC ID's or something like that. Those are probably not coming along to the VM. In a way, running stuff from a VM is even safer IT-wise because you can backup the entire machine and restore it on new hardware even easier than restoring a HD image.

37 posted on 08/11/2011 8:51:15 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Smokeyblue

Ping


38 posted on 08/11/2011 10:06:50 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: gimme1ibertee
Got a PC question....my PC’s running slow and occasionally freezes even tho I regularly defrag,disk clean,update and scan. I’ve heard lots of ads on doublemyspeed.com....are these online programs really that good? Is there anything i’m not doing to improve the speed/performance? I use Registry Mechanic and Avast to keep things clean. I’m running windows XP home ed. Any ideas? Thanks!

I still run XP Pro on several video editing PC's at home, but for anything requiring Internet access, I use Linux exclusively. To deal with all the maintenance issues you mentioned above, Windows costs money, time and aggravation. I don't have those issues with Linux. Above all, Windows XP is a virus magnet. I make good money on the side by cleaning up XP machines for clients. At home, I don't have the time or inclination to deal with that mess (especially 'cuz I'm not being paid!). After my son's computer got clobbered twice, I got fed up and started trying various Linux distros. None of the home PC's even run A/V software, but I have yet to identify any problems after two+ years. So, if you have some special application that will only run on Windows, I understand. But, if you don't, try Linux, you might be impressed.

39 posted on 08/11/2011 10:43:56 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: roamer_1

You’re talking about having physical access to the machine. No one is dumb enough to claim secure without physical security.

What you describe means OSX and Linux are just as vulnerable.

The key is over the network attacks and that’s where they security is greatly improved. Now the attacks are pretty much social engineered attacks.


40 posted on 08/11/2011 1:15:54 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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