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To: Wonder Warthog

Gun Powder and Steam Engines all had well proven theories.

I was expecting you to say something like the Dialysis machine when had it’s theory thrown out for a new one years after it was a commercial device.

To my knowledge there hasn’t been such a product that didn’t even have a theory.

If the experiment is only succeeds when run by the original authors by definition it isn’t reproducible.

Are we to say that this device can be commercialized and run by many different individuals when you can’t even get different labs to reproduce each others work? If you can’t even describe how to run the experiment to another scientist, you can’t spec it out so that a manufacture can mass produce it.

This just doesn’t pass the smell test.


315 posted on 08/01/2011 3:10:10 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813
"Gun Powder and Steam Engines all had well proven theories."

Nope. Combustion chemistry (and hence the explosive chemistry) were completely unknown, as were the thermodynamics needed to understand the steam engine. Both were entirely empirical.

"To my knowledge there hasn’t been such a product that didn’t even have a theory.

I just named several. History if full of them.

"If the experiment is only succeeds when run by the original authors by definition it isn’t reproducible.

Good Lord, man. Are you "really" THAT totally ignorant of science and the scientific validation of results. Repeatability of experimental results by the original researchers is THE first and foremost requirement of scientific validity. NO researcher publishes until they have run the same experiment many times. That form of reproducibility is what the whole field of scientific statistical analysis and error determination is all about.

Independent validaton by a different researcher or group is the SECOND order of validation.

"Are we to say that this device can be commercialized and run by many different individuals when you can’t even get different labs to reproduce each others work?"

Absolutely. And in many cases (such as trade secrets), companies put a lot of effort into assuring that others CANNOT "reproduce each others work".

"If you can’t even describe how to run the experiment to another scientist, you can’t spec it out so that a manufacture can mass produce it.

LOL. Guildmasters throughout history have manufactured any number of things without "describing experiments to another scientist". They knew the methodologies and the sources of raw materials that yielded the desired results. Whether other guildmasters could produce comparable items was irrelevant (and in fact if they could, it was a disadvantage to the first producer, as it made tighter competition possible).

"This just doesn’t pass the smell test."

Perhaps you need a new nose.

316 posted on 08/01/2011 5:05:04 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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