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Andrea Rossi’s eCat – Evidence For & Against
ECATNEWS.COM ^ | July 27, 2011 | Ecatnews Admin

Posted on 07/27/2011 8:11:45 PM PDT by Liberty1970

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I thought this was an excellent summary of the evidence pro-and-con regarding the Ecat. Can anyone offer anything not on the list either way?
1 posted on 07/27/2011 8:11:52 PM PDT by Liberty1970
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To: Liberty1970; Kevmo

PING!


2 posted on 07/27/2011 8:13:13 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (For by grace are you saved through faith.)
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To: Liberty1970
"Can anyone offer anything not on the list either way? "

"Cold "Fusion"" that provided useful and economic power would be like a Science Fiction prediction come true. We need some new, cool technology for the new Century.

3 posted on 07/27/2011 8:17:14 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Liberty1970
Pretty good ~ "balanced even".

What i've done is categorized this as "Hey, eventually somebody will figure out how to TUNE the quarks inside protons and neutrons and use them to construct or deconstruct elements. So why not now as a start".

That's a far cry from using high explosives to implode an atom bomb ~ which is the Strong force. Tuning quarks has just gotta' fall into the Weak force.

At some time in the future we will get into doing more than tuning quarks.

4 posted on 07/27/2011 8:20:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Liberty1970

Sounds about right, both ways, to me. And yes, October is near. Or the next month or two if it happens to take a bit longer to get things online. No big deal if there are no weasely excuses.


5 posted on 07/27/2011 8:29:06 PM PDT by citizen (Romney/Christie or Rubio!! Either would be great. Bachmann fading...No more Dick Obama in 2012!)
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To: Liberty1970

e-cat?

6 posted on 07/27/2011 8:29:21 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: Liberty1970

Against....
...At one point said to be opening a factory in the US that was actually a vacant lot and a low rent apartment
hasn’t given public access to the projects finances or registered his business with an independent auditor
no bills, pictures, etc.. exist of this business in Greece and the Greece address given is hundreds of miles away from the factory in a mail drop where tons of companies list their address as well.
.......
.......
...Non-Disclosure Agreements
....Contracts that prevent people that have seen details from commenting on it
...No one knows how it works, even Rossi says he doesn’t know, and only has a theory.
Rossi has been in prison before for scams and cons
...A good con has a element of truth/fact that is easily checked by the mark to gain his confidence.

Since he is so secretive, we won’t know till 100% that it is a con till he disappears with the money after someone tries to collect their investment from him for failure to delivery.

No new technology goes from the lab to commercial use without schedule slips etc..so far it has just been on PR marathon for this group that supposedly don’t need anyone because they are just going to do it.

That is lots of effort for something they claim they don’t need.


7 posted on 07/27/2011 8:29:31 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Liberty1970; dangerdoc; citizen; Lancey Howard; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; ...

Thanks, Liberty

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8 posted on 07/27/2011 8:52:03 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Liberty1970

-It’s too-good-too-be-true

An aphorism is not evidence.


9 posted on 07/27/2011 8:55:40 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Liberty1970

“Chemists don’t know sh*t” - The Physicists.


10 posted on 07/27/2011 8:58:45 PM PDT by DManA
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>>Since he is so secretive, we won’t know till 100% that it is a con till he disappears with the money after someone tries to collect their investment from him for failure to delivery.<<

Ten years ago a British friend who lives outside London contacted Rossi on my behalf, in Italy , I believe. He told him that an American friend of his wanted to invest a substantial amount of money into his experiments. Rossi shook his hand and said that he preferred to do this one himself because he was quite sure he had found the answer that everyone was looking for. My friend gave him his card and told him that if he ran low on cash to call and he would contact me to see if I was still interested. Rossi never called.


11 posted on 07/27/2011 9:01:18 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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So, if I read that correctly, you are claiming that you offered Rossi $ ten years ago, and Rossi declined. That’s primary evidence if so.


12 posted on 07/27/2011 9:06:03 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Paladin2
"Can anyone offer anything not on the list either way? "

Have Rossi apply for patents that cover his device so he can claim his monetary gain which is due if this is for real. Have Rossi offer up units for testing. Prior to testing he is to inform how much power it will produce. How much power is imputed to the device to keep it running, what is the net power gain, and how long will it run before needing refueling.

Give the device to the Atomic Energy Commission, The Royal Society in London and any other national or international body of science that wishes to reproduce his claims.

I am a skeptic, I hope I am wrong. If I am wrong humanity will have benefits beyond belief and Rossi will become the richest man in the history of the world. I do not think I am wrong!

13 posted on 07/27/2011 9:06:18 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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The part that convinced me that he was serious, wasn’t so much that he didn’t accept my offer but that he didn’t even inquire as to the qualifying restrictions on it. It was a flat — Thank you. I appreciate your confidence in me but no thank you. I want to do this one on my own.

That told me that he didn’t have any other outside supporters and he was confident that what he was doing was in the right direction. Looking at what I see today, I don’t think he knew how it worked or why it worked but that it did work and he was probably terrified that people would learn about what he was doing too soon. He may have been afraid that someone smarter than him would steal it. I don’t know what all was going through his mind. I’m just a bit saddened that he didn’t accept my offer.


14 posted on 07/27/2011 9:32:59 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: Liberty1970

For those wanting to take a risk
***I would love to take a risk and invest in this but have limited resources & no apparent way to engage.

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15 posted on 07/27/2011 9:34:40 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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>>Give the device to the Atomic Energy Commission, The Royal Society in London and any other national or international body of science that wishes to reproduce his claims.<<

Why should he do as you suggest? They are the people who would be interested in shutting him down. They don’t want their investments knocked off the shelf. This will affect nuclear, gas, coal and oil investing. All controlled by ultra powerful groups.

Keep it quiet until it works then put it out where the average citizens can test it and see what their use for it is. That would give him an army of supporters, not “limited permission” from the Elite Controllers.


16 posted on 07/27/2011 9:40:40 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: Thane_Banquo

...consider that STOLEN!


17 posted on 07/27/2011 9:51:12 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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18 posted on 07/27/2011 10:02:47 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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It is called a come on, he only wants the ones that hit him up multiple times for the opportunity to invest.

He isn’t going to bother calling someone that only hit him up once.

Oldest Rule in the book of cons, “Look for the mark that wants to be one”


19 posted on 07/27/2011 10:19:05 PM PDT by dila813
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Have Rossi apply for patents that cover his device so he can claim his monetary gain which is due if this is for real.

He has one patent and there are more in process. And several universities are supposed to have E-cats by now (or very soon) and are testing them - but without public reporting of results in the near term, I believe.

I am a skeptic, I hope I am wrong. If I am wrong humanity will have benefits beyond belief and Rossi will become the richest man in the history of the world. I do not think I am wrong!

You took the words out of my mouth with that paragraph.

20 posted on 07/27/2011 10:24:34 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (For by grace are you saved through faith.)
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