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A Vaccine May Shield Boys Too (Gardasil )
New York Times ^ | July 18, 2011 | RONI CARYN RABIN

Posted on 07/19/2011 10:12:50 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: brytlea
I was being serious. We have a culture that genuinely believes that wearing "awareness" ribbons somehow prevents diseases.
41 posted on 07/19/2011 11:35:34 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Teens believe that they are invincible. It’s just a natural result of inexperience, but a serious challenge to parents.


42 posted on 07/19/2011 11:37:08 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee

I know, they truly believe that. It’s like gallows humor, but on some level it’s funny. If you didn’t laugh you would burst into tears.


43 posted on 07/19/2011 11:38:06 AM PDT by brytlea (Someone the other day said I'm not a nice person. How did they know?)
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To: Obadiah

WHAT? What do they give them, finger cots? For God’s Sake! This madness has gone on long enough.


44 posted on 07/19/2011 11:42:43 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: trisham
They don't tell you the whole story. Cervical cancer is not the worry that it once was as more women get pap smears. The 2002 numbers were 0.08208% of women died.

Also HPV goes away on it's own. But they don't tell you that.

CDC - HPV Infection

Women determined to have HPV infection on such testing should be counseled that HPV infection is common, infection is frequently transmitted between partners, and that infection usually goes away on its own.

45 posted on 07/19/2011 11:44:24 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: brytlea; wagglebee; Tax-chick

yes, that is a very sad story.
(just as the sad stories Obama and libs tell, like about his mother not having health care coverage, to justify Obamacare, and every other social program that has huge costs, and bad side-effects.)

...for every story you can name, there is a girl that is DEAD from taking Gardasil. and hundreds with bad side-effects. ...at a HUGE cost to tax-payers.
when the vast majority of these girls, will NEVER get one of the only 4 viruses (out of 120) this protects against.
and of those, a TINY percent will get cervical cancer (and maybe would get it anyway.)
and of those, a tiny percent can’t be successfully treated.

tax-chick made an EXCELLENT point, that this causes MORE deaths, because of women not getting checked because they think they are protected against all 120 viruses and all cervical cancer, instead of just 4 viruses.

please read the EXCELLENT set of links by wagglebee in #21.
and maybe also read:
http://truthaboutgardasil.org/about-2/


46 posted on 07/19/2011 11:52:55 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: brytlea

What a sad story. And yet, this Friday a new Hollywood movie, “Friends With Benefits” comes out which glamorizes causual sex. No strings, no consequences, just self gratifying casual sex.

Oh yeah, and how many decades did Hollywood glamorize smoking?


47 posted on 07/19/2011 11:53:27 AM PDT by Obadiah (Obama: "Let them eat peas!")
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To: DJ MacWoW; trisham; Tax-chick; brytlea
They don't tell you the whole story. Cervical cancer is not the worry that it once was as more women get pap smears. The 2002 numbers were 0.08208% of women died.

Here are the questions that people should be looking at:

1. What are the LONG-TERM affects of Gardasil over ten or twenty years? (Hint: they can't answer this question because it was rushed to market.)

2. Does Gardasil affect a girl's developing reproductive system (e.g. will she be able to get pregnant and carry healthy babies to term when she's in her 20s or 30s)? (Hint: they can't answer this one either.)

Just over 50 years ago thalidomide was the new "miracle drug" that was going to end morning sickness for pregnant women; it did a great job with morning sickness, but nobody knew what it would do to babies until it was too late.

Gardasil is made by Merck which took a MAJOR financial and PR hit with Vioxx a few years back. They NEEDED a drug which could be marketed on a large scale to offset these losses and Gardasil is what they're betting on.

What parents need to consider is whether Gardasil is mainly for the benefit of their kids or for the benefit of Merck.

48 posted on 07/19/2011 12:02:23 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: trisham; brytlea; wagglebee

Horrible disease.
From Wikipedia:
Cancer
///
true.

but Wikipedia also says Bachmann’s husband is a monster for trying to “cure” gays (i think he should be applauded!)

and about global warming, wiki says:
“ Global warming is the continuing rise in the average temperature of Earth’s atmosphere and oceans. Global warming is caused by increased concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, resulting from human activities such as deforestation and burning of fossil fuels.[2][3] “

...under President Clinton, in ONE year, there was a 40% increase in obesity!!!!!!!!! why?
because they changed the cut-off number. that simple.

but just TRY to find it on Google. or information showing satellite measurements that prove the earth has been getting COLDER, not hotter, since 2003. AGW is a hoax.
...but finding it, or truth about ANY subject the NY Times is in favor of, like Gardasil, is almost impossible.


49 posted on 07/19/2011 12:08:03 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: wagglebee; DJ MacWoW

Excellent posts, from both of you.


50 posted on 07/19/2011 12:09:10 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham; brytlea; Elendur; DJ MacWoW; Tax-chick
I would love for someone to take a shot at the question I posed in post #25:

What other vaccines are children given for diseases that can ONLY BE SPREAD BY INTIMATE CONTACT?

Polio, chickenpox, mumps, measles, etc. are all spread VERY EASILY among people in everyday settings. There is a justifiable health benefit to having children immunized against these. But NOBODY has ever gotten HPV from just sitting next to someone on a school bus.

51 posted on 07/19/2011 12:16:15 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wastedyears
Boys don’t have uteruses and cervixes.

I made those up because the idea of a boy taking a vaccine that’s specifically made for a girl and her parts is absurd.

I was diagnosed with prostate cancer Jan 1997 (age 53) and had surgery in June. All went well and I am still cancer free. The real news is that my father died of cancer (53), as did my mother (60). My eldest brother died of complications resulting from cancer surgery (65). The next eldest has had prostate cancer and is currently cancer free.

My oncologist told me that there is a genetic link to cancers. The gene that predisposes males to prostate cancer also triggers testicular cancer, stomach cancer, intestinal cancer, basically anything south of you belly button. The SAME gene predisposes females for cervical cancer, ovarian cancer, as well as cancers of the digestive tract (same rule, south of the BB). She said that your genes set you up for a particular type of cancer which is subsequently triggered by something, perhaps a virus or a chemical substance that you ingest which starts the cancer.

Lots of people go out in the sunlight, not every one gets skin cancer. Your genes set you up, the trigger (UV exposure) sets the cancer growing. My guess would be that if you were genetically sensitive to HPV, males exposed to the virus would develop a cancer in their reproductive organs (testicular or prostate, certainly not cervix or uterus).

If you want to avoid rolling the dice, check into your family history and make informed health care decisions.

Regards,
GtG

PS I make a point of staying current on all cancer screening tests. I don't worry much about heart disease (I should live so long...)

52 posted on 07/19/2011 12:20:54 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Elendur

It’s actually a good reason for girls not to get HPV at all (however they do it, my suggestion would be that unmarried young women refrain from any sort of sexual contact, including anal and oral contact and that they be taught the honest truth about how sexually contracted diseases are spread). It’s also important for boys to know they can spread stuff too, even tho they don’t actually get cervical cancer.
I wish parents would talk to their kids, and I wish parents wouldn’t leave their teens unsupervised for long periods of time and just assume they would be ok.
And, I’m frankly insulted that you threw my story in any way in with Obama’s stories. It’s 100% true, I wouldn’t have told it if I wasn’t there, it wasn’t something I made up or heard 2nd hand. The point is, babies can catch it from their mothers, so it’s extremely important for any woman who thinks she might have it to let her gyn know (or maybe they always test for it now). It’s sure not fair for a child to get it.
I certainly never suggested anyone take the vaccine, I’m well past the age to worry about it, and I don’t have any daughters. I hope the information you’re giving is correct, since likely someone is listening and will probably take your advice.


53 posted on 07/19/2011 12:33:12 PM PDT by brytlea (Someone the other day said I'm not a nice person. How did they know?)
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To: Obadiah

Yeah, they never take any responsibility for the havoc they wreak. They rake in the $$$ and move on.


54 posted on 07/19/2011 12:34:47 PM PDT by brytlea (Someone the other day said I'm not a nice person. How did they know?)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

Well said. Best wishes, FRiend.


55 posted on 07/19/2011 12:45:32 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee
I would love for someone to take a shot at the question I posed in post #25: What other vaccines are children given for diseases that can ONLY BE SPREAD BY INTIMATE CONTACT?

Polio, chickenpox, mumps, measles, etc. are all spread VERY EASILY among people in everyday settings. There is a justifiable health benefit to having children immunized against these. But NOBODY has ever gotten HPV from just sitting next to someone on a school bus.

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I can't think of any. The diseases you mentioned are extremely contagious. Just breathing the air near someone who is infected may cause transmission.

56 posted on 07/19/2011 12:52:26 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
I remember as a kid when chickenpox would go through the school about once a year and infect a huge percentage of the kids who hadn't had it, so I can see the definite benefit to a chickenpox vaccine (and chickenpox typically doesn't pose any real health risks for kids). But HPV is only spread through intimate contact.
57 posted on 07/19/2011 1:20:35 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Agreed. Imho, it’s a grave mistake to treat teens as if they are going to have intimate relationships with others. It’s as much as giving approval. At the very least, it’s confusing to them.


58 posted on 07/19/2011 1:28:33 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

I’ve talked to my 14 year old twin girls about the vaccine.

They are not sexually active (never had a boyfriend or even been asked out).

One of them has a brain injury and epilepsy, and we are definitely holding off on the vaccine with her.

I’ve told them that they really need to think about the vaccine before they get married. Their cousin’s husband cheated on her, and I’ve talked to them about that situation.

I think if you really talk to your teens, then it isn’t confusing to them.


59 posted on 07/19/2011 2:23:22 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: wagglebee

I haven’t been able to decide on chickenpox. If you get it, it’s not that big a deal BUT you are later susceptible to shingles which is horrible. (I *think* if you get the vaccine you can’t get shingles, but maybe someone will correct me if I’m wrong). I am on the fence about vaccines at this time. I am not completely against them, but I am not for any and all just because. I don’t take flu shots, for instance, but I might if I my doctor could convince me that the risk of flu to me was so high it was offset by any potential risk from the vaccine. I don’t want to be FORCED to take one. On the other hand as a military brat who went overseas I was pumped full of them as a kid.


60 posted on 07/19/2011 2:24:50 PM PDT by brytlea (Someone the other day said I'm not a nice person. How did they know?)
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