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A Hall of Famer in Waiting Isn’t Necessarily an All-Star
Throneberry Fields Forever ^ | July 4, 2011 | Jeff Kallman

Posted on 07/05/2011 5:06:20 PM PDT by rhema

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1 posted on 07/05/2011 5:06:26 PM PDT by rhema
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To: rhema
Now Jeter’s an All-Star starter?
A bitter Red Sux or NY Mut fan. Eat your heart out. Bwaahahaha ...
2 posted on 07/05/2011 5:14:41 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: rhema

Some guys get to the all star game on name recognition alone.


3 posted on 07/05/2011 5:15:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: rhema

It should be Peralta in the All Star Game, not Jeter.


4 posted on 07/05/2011 5:16:47 PM PDT by ConservativeTeen (Proud Right Wing Extremist)
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To: rhema

Baseball’s all star game is a total joke. Has been since the “fans” got to choose the players. It is just who is the most famous. Guys having great years are left off while old timers having bad years get voted in, IE, Jeter here. He has not been an all star for two years.


5 posted on 07/05/2011 5:17:30 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: cripplecreek

As long as fans can vote (and multiple times) New Yorkers will always be able to dominate the choices.


6 posted on 07/05/2011 5:18:27 PM PDT by Zman516 (muslims, marxists, communists ---> satan's useful idiot corps)
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To: RetiredArmy
Baseball’s all star game is a total joke

So is the hall of fame.

Jack Morris, one of the best pitchers of the 80's can't even get close because a bunch of spoiled sports writers can't stand him.

7 posted on 07/05/2011 5:27:05 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: oh8eleven
Huh? You mean you can make a case for Jeter starting ahead of shortstops who are having much better years? Go ahead and make that case.

I don't know writer Kallman's favorite team. He's a FReeper, so maybe he'll reply to you.

Twins fan here. Comparable to Jeter's unprepossessing season (especially compared to AL shortstops Asdrubal Cabrera and Jhonny Peralta), my Twins don't have any legitimate all stars, Mauer being hurt for most of the season and even now struggling to raise his BA. But even the Twins' mandatory, one-player-per-team pick -- Michael Cuddyer -- has much better stats than Jeter: .290 BA, 12 HR, 35 RBI vs. Jeter's .256 BA, 2 HR, 20 RBI.

8 posted on 07/05/2011 5:29:29 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: RetiredArmy

Wasn’t Mike Schmidt voted to the all-star team, despite being on the DL list? It was so long ago, I forget. But it HAS always been a popularity contest. I used to respect the all-pro team in the NFL much more, because the players only got to vote. THEY knew who deserved to be there.


9 posted on 07/05/2011 5:30:36 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: Zman516

I’m a Tiger fan and I kind of question sending Alex Avila as starting catcher.

He’s a fine catcher and can swing a bat but I wonder how far his connections go. His father has worked in MLB administration for years and works for the Tigers now, plus his Godfather is Tommy LaSorda. Between them, I’m sure they bring a lot of votes.

Verlander, Valverde, and Cabrerra are good picks (of the Tigers)


10 posted on 07/05/2011 5:38:44 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: ConservativeTeen
It should be Peralta in the All Star Game, not Jeter.

.314 BA, 14 HR, 49 RBI vs. .256 BA, 2 HR, 20 RBI.

Nuff said.

11 posted on 07/05/2011 5:41:20 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: oh8eleven
Now Jeter’s an All-Star starter? A bitter Red Sux or NY Mut fan. Eat your heart out. Bwaahahaha ...
This may come as a shock to you, but more than mere Met or Red Sox fans have questioned his making this year's All-Star starting lineup or team.

For the record, I am a Met fan since the day they were born and a Red Sox fan since the 1967 pennant race. (Ask not my bill for controlled substances in 1986!) I also respect Jeter's career and achievements. If I had the vote, I'd elect him to the Hall of Fame myself.

But he doesn't belong on this year's All-Star team.

12 posted on 07/05/2011 5:46:28 PM PDT by BluesDuke (Another brief interlude from the small apartment halfway up in the middle of nowhere in particular)
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To: boop
Wasn’t Mike Schmidt voted to the all-star team, despite being on the DL list?
That actually happened in 1989 . . . . after Schmidt decided to retire earlier in the season. (He did it pretty much because he realised he wasn't Mike Schmidt anymore, even if he was leading the National League in RBIs at the time he retired.)
13 posted on 07/05/2011 5:48:18 PM PDT by BluesDuke (Another brief interlude from the small apartment halfway up in the middle of nowhere in particular)
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To: rhema
Which brings us to whether your opinion is that the All-Star Game, as often enough it does become, is something of a lifetime achievement award. Jeter isn’t the first player who’s going to the starting lineup as a legacy candidate. Reality check: Jeter got the votes because of what he’s been, not who he is now.

Kallman answers his own question (or rant) right here. It wouldn't be the first time nor will it be the last ... /shrug

It just is what it is. Boo-Hoo ... there are far more pressing issues within MLB than whether a legacy player gets to start on the All-Star team in the waning year(s) of his career, such as the looming Hall of Fame consideration for recent 'juicers' (of which Jeter is NOT!)

-- MM

14 posted on 07/05/2011 5:56:32 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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Kallman answers his own question (or rant) right here. It wouldn't be the first time nor will it be the last ... /shrug
You were right the first time---it was a question, not a rant.
It just is what it is.
Until now, I wasn't aware that something being what it is equaled something being right.
Boo-Hoo ... there are far more pressing issues within MLB than whether a legacy player gets to start on the All-Star team in the waning year(s) of his career . . .
It doesn't equal a suggestion that other pressing issues are any the less pressing to address a matter that just so happened to be a matter of the day on the day a commentary is written and published.
. . . such as the looming Hall of Fame consideration for recent 'juicers' . . .
That is an issue that gets addressed as its relevance arises (such as, during Hall of Fame voting season and during induction week, to name two such occasions), aside from the fact that that's hardly the only pressing issue pressing upon baseball. (Just ask any Los Angeles Dodgers or New York Mets fans pondering their teams' actual or prospective financial collapses; or, any Houston Astros fan pondering his team's ownership situation and whether realignment speculation might indeed move the Astros to the American League.)

p.s. I still believe Jeter's performance this season does not deserve a 2011 All-Star berth.

15 posted on 07/05/2011 6:19:19 PM PDT by BluesDuke (Another brief interlude from the small apartment halfway up in the middle of nowhere in particular)
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To: rhema
You mean you can make a case for Jeter starting ...
Loyalty ... I'm NYC born and raised. Still root for the (SF) Giants too.
16 posted on 07/05/2011 6:31:26 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: BluesDuke
I am a Met fan since the day they were born and a Red Sox fan ...
How often do you see your shrink?
I grew up in NYC when Willie, Mickey and the Duke were still roaming their respective center fields.
I'm no longer in NYC but still root for Yanks and Giants.
17 posted on 07/05/2011 6:36:41 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: CharacterCounts
I wouldn't vote for Jack Morris, but then, there's a lot of guys in there that wouldn't have gotten my vote. Even so, my rule for HoF is simple and elegant---if there is any doubt, the answer is no.

Try it out and see. If there is ANY pause to think it over, then it's no. In my hall, the only people inducted would be clear, unquestionable immortals, and the great and near-great players on the outside looking in would serve as further testament to the greatness of those on the inside.

18 posted on 07/05/2011 7:30:55 PM PDT by Huck
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To: oh8eleven
Loyalty ... I'm NYC born and raised. Still root for the (SF) Giants too.

I don't have that much trouble with Jeter's being on the team. The fact that he's starting reminds me of the '57 NL voting results.

19 posted on 07/05/2011 7:33:04 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: ConservativeTeen

I am sure there have been times where a Pete Rose or a Cal Ripken or a Joe Morgan or someone got into the All Star game on the strength of their legacy, and someone having a great year got left out. That’s how it goes. Jeter is going to the Hall of Fame, he’s in the twilight of his career (still hard to believe how time flies), and so he’s getting his props. It’s not outrageous. It’s a testament to his star power, and 3,000 hits is still a meaningful number. 5 championships is no joke either.


20 posted on 07/05/2011 7:33:31 PM PDT by Huck
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