Posted on 07/03/2011 9:53:55 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
Actually yes,, women do make more. They FILL the medical field and legal fields. They are an overwhelming majority of both law and medical schools.
And look at almost any support style business having to do with medicine. Again,,filled.
Ditto banking,, go into almost any branch and it’s women officers and management.
And for real giggles, try to get a university professorship in any discipline besides hard sciences without being a minority or a woman.
And i cannot REMEMBER the last time i’ve met a “human resources director” that wasn’t a female. That field is nearly 100% female dominated.
You must be a woman,,,And even if you are in the one strange industry with more “offices” than “cubicles”, i suggest you are missing the larger picture.
An interesting commentary today on Fox related to this is that the kids are not much smarter leaving college then when they entered. This then makes college simply a means to pay teachers salaries and bennies. In such case, college is not needed. Of course, this is a broad generalization, but has some merit, especially in the high school venue as well.
Are you really trying to defend the article's claim that young women have 15 times the earning power of young men in major cities? Yes, women have the edge in some fields, but the 15 times claim is dubious at best.
White male, 40+ years old, and I teach university history.
Your knowledge of college obviously comes from talk radio and other fantasies.
Four out of five of our senior staff (Associate and Full Professors) are male, and I’m due to join them within a year. And that’s good, because my foundation grant runs out after three semesters.
Admittedly, our school is considered elite, but wouldn’t that make it even more susceptible to affirmative action?
No, 15 times is absurd. But they do exceed male earnings by a healthy margin by virtue of the fact that they completely dominate the highest earning fields.
And pointing to a few men who achieve a lot is nice, but that ignores the disribution throughout the curve. Add in the hard FACT that traditional high paying jobs for men are drying up as our nation is stripped of manufacturing, mining, logging, heavy construction, drilling, and transportation.
The jobs left behind in this economy are in the feminine fields. Medicine, Law, management, HR, consumer banking, etc,,
Ask around about pharmaceutical reps jobs and see who gets those. And dont forget one of the fastest growing of all career fields, GOVERNMENT at all levels. You might not have heard, but that field is rabidly anti-male, yet clamors for women with “a degree” (anything will do).
Men today succeed two ways, by getting into trades that have been neglected, (plumbing, A/C and Heating, Electrician, Mechanic,,) and by running a risk to open their own business.
Anyway, this point is chasing a rabbit. The main part of the article is wrong. Men are in the state they are, mostly because family law is horrendously skewed against them. Combine that with the mercenary mentality of most young US women,,, and marriage is a very bad risk for a young man today. But this article casts everything as perfect women, and immature men. Trite,,
5 positions, in one department, in one university in the south.
not exactly instructive in the nationwide trend. And in history, it doesnt surprise me. That field doesn’t normally attract women,, too much war to understand. It doesnt really interest them.
Actually, history doesn’t attract women because most history undergrads go on to law school (here, at least).
We’ve been deliberately hiring women from Eastern Europe, mainly because of their language skills. I’m not privy to the information, but I suspect some Asians will be coming on board next year, for the same reason.
And, yes, I’m a “military” historian. And I think it’s great that my field is opening up. White male PhD-level historians really tend to be dull company.
So, you are generalizing from one history department in who knows what university?
Having observed humanities departments and their hiring practices at several elite universities, including Harvard, it is absolutely accurate to say that getting hired as a white male is a major challenge...even more so if you aren’t a know postmodern/feminist almost-a-male.
Stanford, for example, has increased its “diversity” by telling departments with positions to fill that they can fill it with a white male...or they can fill it with a woman and get an extra 1/2 position (allows a joint appointment with another department) or they can fill it with a black and get an entire extra position.
Even engineering and physics departments are being force-fed females who, once they are on board, make sure that hiring standards continue to erode.
If anyone tried that at this school, people would be firing up their lawyers. I’ll admit it took me quite a long time to get where I am, but affirmative action had no part in it. I simply was slack about publishing. I was informaed that was why I was four/five years behind my peers. The problem has been dealt with.
Faculty does discuss these matters, and I’ve talked about AA with dozens of people from all over the country. A quick glance at any faculty listing at a school will inform whether one has simply been listening to too much slanted news, or whether the school has fair hiring practices.
AA is not a problem in the real, non-FR, world. Lazy individuals with no people skills are a serious problem everywhere. And they don’t make tenure.
“Liberalism has destroyed most women...”
I totally agree. As a Conservative, it’s been a real puzzler to me. There’s not one THING about ‘liberation’ that appeals to me, though I have lived a pretty unconventional life.
Women HAVE been sold a bill of goods and it’s cost us from producing TWO generations of quality, traditional men, IMHO.
Thanks for your thoughtful input! :)
Wow! I didn’t realize we worked at the same place!!!
I agree with education not being worth much in the long run.
I’m still a few credits short of my BA in business, but I’ve managed three multi-million dollar enterprises at this point in my life, so it’s kind of a mute point for me at this late date, don’t ya think? :)
As with ‘liberation’ we’ve been sold a bill of goods when it comes to a formal education, too!
You lead a sheltered existence. AA is legal and is zealously pursued by virtually every college and university in the country. Interestingly, there was a study done some years ago that found that women in universities were paid more than their male peers with the same publication records, etc.
I thnk it would also help to separate getting hired and getting tenure. The forms of PC enforcement differ with respect to each.
Do you, perhaps, work for my former classmate, Cass Sunstein?
Managed three enterpises, and yet still short of the BA? Didja need the BA? ;-) Or was it a paper requirement?
Just taking the opposing argument. I have spent years getting “educated”, in technical areas that required the training, and legal areas that perhaps did not (but only as a paper requirement). It seems to have been a benefit in my era, but nowadays, I’m not so sure. The failures of elementary education system are, in many instances, now part of the advanced education system.
“Affirmative action for men?”
Good one. Boys are not growing up to become men because men can no longer can function in the job market. US companies that actually make things have their operations overseas. US businesses started doing this to take advantage of low overseas wages. But increasingly, the motive has been because our manufacturing skills and engineering know how have atrophied. Manufacturing jobs are not going to come back.
So now we’re left with office jobs (woman work) . That seems to be OK, so long as profits generated by US companies are repatriated. But that won’t last.
I lost my job as a sex slave a month ago. Gotta go. My wife is yelling for another beer.
The culture has decided men are unnecessary.
“The culture has decided men are unnecessary. “
As a whole? I agree. In my life? Nope. I love & appreciate having a man around. :)
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