Posted on 06/13/2011 12:42:39 PM PDT by decimon
You are preaching to the choir. I know what Walmart (and others) have done. When the diggers are there to investigate the past they must respect those that are still here. For some peoples, those that have gone before should not be disturbed. At times those practices too much celebrate death when the living people would gladly share their history.
We all have opinions. Knowing what was done to my Nation/tribe, to my family in the name of: science, progress, assimilation, the greater good, etc., has helped to form my opinions.
“The Rio Grande has nothing to do with the trade routes across Arizona and New Mexico into the south.”
I think we might have a difference of what is meant when we say one term - “the south”.
So, say what its is that you mean by “the south”.
“Egyptologists believe that the pyramid was built as a tomb for fourth dynasty Egyptian Pharaoh Khufu (Cheops in Greek) over an approximately 20 year period concluding around 2560 BC. Initially at 146.5 metres”
1. That - 20 years - is an opinion, not a fact.
2. No one elected “Egyptologists”, or any self-appointed group claiming an exclusive membership thereto, to speak for everyone who has studied the question.
3. And, there are other learned opinions that disagree with that opinion - “20 years”. The “20 year” time frame does not begin from official ancient records in Egypt but is instead based on guesses about possible construction methods, calculations of the work-effort required for those efforts and then backing into another guess about how many workers “could have” achieved that particular effort in a given period of time. Altogether, that does not construct a fact, but a mere opinion.
The south would include western part of current Mexico and certain larger cities in central Mexico.
Also the time line is say 700 AD till the Spanish conquest and of course nothing was continuously static.
Again I would invite you to read the book. It is fairly recent and incorporates lots of recent ie since the 90’s results that cast different light on events
Amazing. I knew that certain types of stone which were prized for making tools were dispersed by trade over wide areas. Shells from coastal areas ended up far inland also
Over night a thought occurred that is significant.
When you read about the Spanish early trips north to search for Eldorado, you can note that they traveled the ancient trade route north that ultimately led to the pueblos. Their guides took them north on these well worn routes.
Also, on the subject of this thread, they were led far to the east and gave up and returned. Although they did not know it, the goal was Cahokia. There was an old memory but unlike the southwest, the people and cities along the Mississippi were all gone.
More likely they used a hooked chert flake left over from making knives or hoes... odd that the folks doing the study didn’t bother to test cut with one of the most common items- next to potsherds - that can be found there- and tried scissors, which most certainly cannot be found there. When you knock off flakes from a chert core you get simple supersharp disposable blades. Some make great arrowheads, others are perfect tools as is, and a few have a little hook in them which work great for cutting skin on a fresh deer ... or thin sheets of copper.
+1. This is science worthy of a Phd? Man I could of had ten or so of them in my life.
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