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US inmates' 40 years in solitary must end: Amnesty
AFP ^ | June 6, 2011

Posted on 06/06/2011 7:52:42 PM PDT by PROCON

Two US prisoners who have been held in solitary confinement for nearly 40 years should have their isolation ended immediately, Amnesty International said Tuesday. Albert Woodfox, 64, and Herman Wallace, 69, have been held in solitary at Louisiana State Penitentiary ever since they were convicted of murdering a prison guard in 1972, the London-based human rights group said.

Their four-decade ordeal "is cruel and inhumane and a violation of the US's obligations under international law," said Guadalupe Marengo, Amnesty's Americas deputy director.

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To: PROCON

See post 21.


41 posted on 06/06/2011 8:32:00 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: narses
Oh, you're citing NPR??

Talk about media spin; I wouldn't believe them as far as I could throw them!

42 posted on 06/06/2011 8:33:09 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: bill1952

Bill,

Either get a pair of glasses and learn to read or stop posting.

I fully support Capital Punishment. My question is why was that not done back in 1972????

Convict these “yuts” of murder and then hang ‘em.

That is what our constitution calls for. Not frigging putting people in solitary for 40 years

And stupid dumb things like vigalante justice that you propose would make us savaqes like the ROP. We have a constitution. This is what makes us civilized.

Come to Texas. We lead the world in Capital Punishment. But we follow a process. We don’t just go shootin’


43 posted on 06/06/2011 8:33:17 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: JDW11235
The criminal justice system is not to punish people, though it is a part (Rehabilitation, Recompense, Deterrent, Safety, and Punishment, are the 5 purposes, if anyone cares).

Well, I don't.
The criminal justice system is to punish. period.

The only guarantee of no recidevism.

I don't really care who made up those cute objectives.

44 posted on 06/06/2011 8:33:24 PM PDT by Publius6961 (you don't need a president-for-life if you've got a bureaucracy-for-life.)
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To: bill1952
That poster is an idiot .
The story is pure left wing BS which that snotty clown suck down like an ice cream cone.
45 posted on 06/06/2011 8:34:25 PM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: PROCON

Yawn. You trust shAmnesty International?


46 posted on 06/06/2011 8:36:04 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: ncalburt

Yes, we have a lot in common, but Louisiana is also quite corrupt. Sorry....but that is what I believe.

I favor the Death Penalty. Fully. In Texas we kill more people in a year then our Esteemed El Presidente has created jobs in 2 years.

I follow the constitution. If these “yoots” killed the guy, then convict them and hang ‘em high

Simple as that. But keeping them in solitary for 40 years makes me think that the Louisiana authorities have something to hide or something they cannot prove.


47 posted on 06/06/2011 8:37:53 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: narses
Yawn. You trust shAmnesty International?

LOL, good point, guess I better hit the rack and quit spouting nonsense!..:=)

48 posted on 06/06/2011 8:38:07 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: PROCON

:)


49 posted on 06/06/2011 8:41:40 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: Louis Foxwell

You need to ask that question?


50 posted on 06/06/2011 8:46:32 PM PDT by allmost
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To: SoftwareEngineer
First, LA is now run by the GOP . Your head is left in Moon Landrieu era. Keep up with the times and stop falling for
Old tired cliques of the Left wing media.
Second, these creeps are not in solitary that was already prov-en to be a LIE. A poster already blow up that lie.
Third, this is a far left wing NPR story quoting a fellow Anti American Far left British group.
Fourth , these same far left wing clowns got these killers life in prison for 40 years rather than the death penalty.
Your entire argument makes no sense.
51 posted on 06/06/2011 8:54:57 PM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: muawiyah

I agree. But at one time in our nation’s history, people had a set of laws that they could follow (There are tens of thousands today), and expect justice, from a jury of their peers. Today you probably could not name 1 percent of the laws written over a lifetime of study. Thousands of people are turning out tens of thousands a year. I have no fond feeling of Amnesty International either.


52 posted on 06/06/2011 8:59:34 PM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: Publius6961

“The criminal justice system is to punish. period.”

Well, you’re free to feel that way, but it’s not justice, to anyone. And “Punish” is an abstract term. The “cute” objectives are a matter of classification, not cuteness. If someone was to murder someone and made on example of (it doesn’t work), they receive a prison sentence (deterrence-to others, Punishment-vengence, and safety-for others). If someone was robbed and ordered to repay, that’s recompense. If someone was drunk and hit a hedge or stop sign and ordered to rehab, that’s rehabilitation.

The name of the criminal justics system is “Criminal JUSTICE” because it’s supposed to bring justice, not punishment (with all that that encompasses). That’s not to say there is no punishment in criminal justice, it’s just no the main goal. The goal is to bring order to society. And there are ways to do that, and not do that. And jail has proven ineffective at doing that. A walled labor camp is my style. BEsides, if Obama has his way, we’ll all be criminals like Ayn Rand predicted (abstractly). And then you’ll certainly want justice and not merely “punishment.” In fact you probably already commit a number of crimes daily (remember the average is 3), and they can range from looking at a moose from an airplane (this was a crime, in I forget which state), to any number of ridiculous things. But That’s not the topic of the thread, so I’ll let it get back to the prisoners at hand. I was just addressing your “cute” comment.


53 posted on 06/06/2011 9:07:52 PM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: ottbmare

Sorry, I am old enough to remember this not being unusual in any way.

Do they have food and water? Then it isnt cruel.


54 posted on 06/06/2011 9:18:02 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
There is no rationale for 40 years of solitary. If the LA guards were so pissed at these guys, they should have rather shot them! I am being somewhat sarcastic but truly, there is no rhyme of reason for 40 years in solitary for a single incident.

Hey, even before they killed a prison guard, they weren't the nicest guys around, and it's not like they didn't know the damn rules.

I kinda dig that they've been rotting away in solitary for 40 years. Doesn't seem cruel at all to me.

Hell, they're lucky I'm not their jailer. They would've done the last 40 years in total darkness. Screw them.

55 posted on 06/06/2011 9:35:30 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: muawiyah
A police state didn't stick them in their cells ~ they did.

Very good point.

56 posted on 06/06/2011 9:37:07 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: JDW11235

These guys were sentenced to solitary in 1972. I assume at that point the Supreme Court ban on capital punishment was in effect. So the larger question is if someone doing life or a long sentence kills a guard in prison in a state that forbids capital punishment, what punishment does the state mete out. Another life sentence? What deterrent does the state have in such a case to prevent lifers from killing guards or other prisoners?


57 posted on 06/06/2011 9:39:05 PM PDT by chuckee ( gives too much credence to the UK's)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
A difference of opinion is not ridiculousness.
It is the foundation of a free society.
Deal with it.
58 posted on 06/06/2011 9:49:40 PM PDT by Publius6961 (you don't need a president-for-life if you've got a bureaucracy-for-life.)
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To: JDW11235; SoftwareEngineer

I admire your attempts to defend limited, constitutional government.


59 posted on 06/06/2011 10:00:07 PM PDT by TexasKamaAina
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The day that Amnesty International, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), International ANSWER, Code Pink and 99.9% of the other NGOs are made illegal will be a sign that we are restoring the Republic.
AMEN!
60 posted on 06/06/2011 10:03:42 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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