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To: ransomnote; Salamander; kanawa
The need for the pro pit lobby to deny the actual, documented behavior of pits is too strong to give way to reason.”

Do mean documentation like this:

http://www.pitbulllovers.com/pit-bulls-ten-things-you-should-know.html

or this: http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20110602/od_yblog_upshot/pit-bulls-surprising-past-nanny-dogs

or this: http://www.pets911.com/animal-academy/dogs-101/pit-bulls-from-nannies-to-misunderstood/

or this http://ezinearticles.com/?Nanny-Dogs&id=1907617

or this: http://itsthepitsrescue.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/the-pit-bull-nanny-dog-an-endangered-breed/

or this: http://www.pbrc.net/faq.html

I could go on and on with this, but your mind is already made up.

The truth of the matter is that 99.9999% of the time, the problem is the OWNER/HANDLER of the dog. Even this story was very dismissive of the lack of a strong Alpha in the pack.

Yes, there are bad dogs, but they are FAR less common than bad/incompetent owners.

63 posted on 06/06/2011 10:32:27 PM PDT by Don W (You can forget what you do for a living when your knees are in the breeze.)
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To: Don W

“The truth of the matter is that 99.9999% of the time, the problem is the OWNER/HANDLER of the dog. “

You cite pro pit propaganda (oh the Nanny dog link you posted is the most disgusting and it doesn’t bother you to post it on a thread where the family pit killed and ate the family baby - some nanny!!!!) and end with this fantasy figure you can’t possible begin to defend (99.9999% HAH! OH YEAH - CITE THE STUDIES PROVING THAT!!!!)

“I could go on and on with this, but your mind is already made up.”

You could go on lying and fantasizing but the well documented killings and maimings this breed is responsible for outweigh your psychological need to defend this dog, bred for aggression and still bred/prized in dog fighting circles, against accusations that it is actually aggressive.


66 posted on 06/06/2011 11:35:19 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: Don W

“Even this story was very dismissive of the lack of a strong Alpha in the pack.”

If this breed is prone to killing family members if there isn’t a sufficiently strong alpha in the pack, it should be kept in a zoo, not in residential areas. You are describing wolf pack behavior. Wolves and pits eventually challenge the alpha in the pack for leadership - this may strike you as strange but the family dog is not supposed to provide a ‘red of tooth and claw’ daily fight for dominance. ‘Domesticated’ animals should not have to be restrained from killing it’s owners with sufficient shows of dominance. Those who raise wolves as pets unfortunately encounter nature and lose. One family wrote movingly of their wolf and how he fit perfectly into the family until the day he tried to kill the father in order to take control of the pack. This blame the owner thing is so wrong on some many fronts - in this case you make an argument that supports those who say pits ownership should require an exotic animal license and enclosures that meet special code regulations used for exotics. I support this notion because the damage caused by one or more rampaging pits resembles wild animals more than it resembles domestic dog damage and also because owners throw up their hands and say “he got out of his cage” as if saying ‘hey it’s not my fault my dog killed someone’. When a beagle gets out of his cage, there’s far less likelihood that someone will be maimed or killed because beagles fall within the behavior we expect of domestic dogs - even problematic domestic dogs. Pits don’t.


69 posted on 06/07/2011 12:04:20 AM PDT by ransomnote
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