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To: Salamander

Oh I have seen the oceans of ‘information’ posted by pro pit people. Doesn’t change the well earned reputation of pits for unprovoked, sustained damage most often resulting in death. I have tried talking through that kind of padding that the pro pit throws - it was like speaking to a wall. The need for the pro pit lobby to deny the actual, documented behavior of pits is too strong to give way to reason.
Note that you are already spinning - I never said brain swelling (a la dobermans - never heard of that before). I said I read a study and you demand I provide my ‘proof’. Oh I can see where this is going because I have posted the study before and I have gotten back the nonsense stats falsely elevating the ‘hazard’ other breeds offer etc. Anyway, this is a study re the heritability of behavior:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14810086/Heritability-of-Behavior-in-the-Abnormally-Aggressive-Dog-by-A-Semyonova

Since people like me read up on the number of deaths, maimings etc., read victim accounts, watch videos and can’t find any mitigating evidence, I am not swayed by angry denials, name calling, or the posting of pit bulls pictures that look ‘cute’. Since many of the pro pit lobby have a psychological need to believe that it’s all made up lies/persecution/ignorance, all the posts in all the world documenting the disproportionate damage this breed does will be ignored/denied etc. The only ones left are those who have been duped into buying a pit for their family because ‘everyone says they are unfairly maligned and are safe if you treat them right’ and those who just have never heard of the issue and are new to it.
From the article:
“Research now shows that, through selection
for aggressive performance, we have in fact been consistently selecting for very specific
abnormalities in the brain. These abnormalities appear in many breeds of dog as an accident
or anomaly, which breeders then attempt to breed out of the dogs. In the case of the
aggressive breeds, the opposite was true. Rather than excluding abnormally aggressive dogs
from their breeding stock, breeders focused on creating lineages in which all the dogs would
carry these genes (i.e., dogs which would reliably exhibit the desired impulsive aggressive
behavior). They succeeded. Now that we know exactly which brain abnormalities breeders
have been selecting, the assertion that this aggression is not heritable is no longer tenable. It
is also not tenable to assert that not all the dogs of these breeds will carry these genes. The
lack may occur as an accident where selection has failed, just as the golden retriever mayhave
the genes due to failing selection against the genes. But the failure to have the gene is, in the
aggressive breeds, just that – a failure. It is therefore misleading to assert that the aggressive
breeds will only have the selected genes as a matter of accident, or that most of them will be
fit to interact safely with other animals and humans. We have selected intensively for these
genes in these breeds, for hundreds of years, and the accident that may incidentally occur is
lack of the selected genes”

If the pro pit lobby wants to believe that their is no medical explanation for the body count pits leave behind - it doesn’t really matter to me. Parts of the country are enacting breed specific laws because they just can’t afford the societal costs behind the killings, maiming, and police calls pit bulls provoke so the problem is slowly working itself out on its own -whether the pro pit lobby screams ‘it’s all lies! ALL OF IT!’ or not.


34 posted on 06/04/2011 12:34:03 AM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote; Salamander
Note that you are already spinning ....

Nooo....go back and reread what Sal said.

35 posted on 06/04/2011 12:39:57 AM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Where do YOU stand in your relationship with God???)
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To: ransomnote

So where is the scientific study?

Where is the list of the cites?


“The bodies and brains of all these breeds have, just like the pointer, the husky, the greyhound and the border collie, been selected so that certain postures and behaviors just simply feel good.
These dogs will seek opportunities to execute the behaviors they’ve been bred for, just simply because the behavior feels good”

“These dogs will seek opportunities to execute the behaviors they’ve been bred for, just simply because the behavior feels good”?!?

*This* flaky screed is your “proof”?

~Seriously~?

This is an -opinion- piece gussied up with some uncited and alleged hypotheses written by some woman.

Where is the data/study/evidence?

FYI, I spun precisely -nothing-.

The myth of the “genetic brain disease killer dog” is an old, boring one.

Sorry you haven’t been around long enough to watch its “evolution” into the vaguer version of “lesions”.

Talk about “padding”.


36 posted on 06/04/2011 12:58:45 AM PDT by Salamander (FREE* LAZ! [*with purchase of FReeper of equal or greater value. Some restrictions may apply.])
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