—————And Congress? You mean those people who didn’t know the difference between fairness doctrine and net neutrality?-————
The congress that told them no was the congress we defeated in 2010. I’m pretty sure those guys knew the difference.
-————True, but net neutrality has nothing to do with “freedom from ISPs.”-—————
It does to the FCC. If they take control of the on/off ramps, then the ISPs are effectively nationalized. That’s the price they pay to get onto the FCC’s toll road.
—————That’s power, the power to kill.-——————
The power to control the on/off ramps of the internet is the power to decide what does and doesn’t go on said internet.
————So does Kucinich with most of what he says, but here he is, absolutely correct on the Obama/Libya issue.———
*sigh* Everything that leftists are doing is in order to create chaos. Kucinich included. Seen gold prices lately?
————Who cares?——————
Julius Genachowski and our other potential rulers care.
————We can separate the two, we can reject a net neutrality proposal if fairness doctrine provisions are included.-—————
Theoretically, right now, yes. But we don’t have much time left. They’re passing the bills before we can find out what’s in them. I’ve posted two separate threads related to the FCC withholding information regarding net neutrality. One of which I’m certain you saw because I pinged you to it.
————However, the only one who seems to be combining them is you.—————
I’m not willingly blind to tyranny.
—————Show me where in the FCC rules that toll booths are implemented.——————
By the time the rules get codifed, it’s too late. When someone says “this is what we want to do” and it’s clearly a bad thing, I sit up and take notice.
You obviously don’t.
—————not stuff you made up—————
Quit lying or ask admin moderator to delete the discussion. Your name is still in it.
I’m not making up that she said it, and I’m not making it up that you participated in the thread. Hence, you are a liar.
You participated in that discussion. Go ahead and argue otherwise.
You are stretching the definition of "nationalized" beyond recognition, to a state where effectively every industry in the US is "effectively nationalized." The "price" they pay is to not screw their customers or interfere with Internet commerce. Most businesses operate under the "price" of not being able to commit fraud without fear of prosecution.
While the telcos clearly want to put up toll booths, you claim the FCC does, but without any evidence whatsoever. Sorry, but I do not accept the "I'm rubber, you're glue" method of debate.
The power to control the on/off ramps of the internet is the power to decide what does and doesn’t go on said internet.
The telcos currently have that power and have stated an intent to leverage it, and have in fact leveraged it. The FCC does not have that power, and will not under net neutrality enforcement. The FCC will have to the power only to prevent the telcos from leveraging THEIR power.
There's an old joke about a totally automated factory that will have only two employees, a man and a monkey. It's so automated that the man's job is to press the one button there, and the monkey's job is to keep the man from pressing the button so he doesn't screw anything up. Note, the monkey's job is not to press the button itself, but to prevent the pressing of the button. The power to prevent is not the power to do.
Everything that leftists are doing is in order to create chaos. Kucinich included.
How does Kucinich's resolution create chaos and why shouldn't I support it? I should instead support Boehner's inferior, wimped-out resolution because his motives are supposedly more pure? I know Kucinich's motives, and they are irrelevant. Only his actions are relevant, because his actions are the only things that affect others.
By the time the rules get codifed, it’s too late.
The rules are already there, in plain text. Show me the toll booths. I'm a big believer in law, so I tend to read the laws. It's like the "Internet kill switch" bill. I read it, can't find the kill switch, and nobody can point out that provision to me. People are so concentrating on the "kill switch" they're not bothering to read the rest of the bill to see if it's any good.
Don't give me some made-up conspiracy theory about what you think the law says, show me the actual text or drop the claim. The grand Democrat conspiracy is not law, only what they actually pass into law is law, and we can read that, quote from it, and use it to support our arguments.
Quit lying or ask admin moderator to delete the discussion. Your name is still in it.
I have never in my time here asked an admin mod to delete anything. Why, are some of your posts so bad that the admin mods are deleting them out of their own volition?
I’m not making up that she said it,
No, you are not making up the words. But you are saying she meant something 100% opposite of what she actually said. You tell me not to listen to their words because we know their agenda so the words can be only lies. Then you tell me to listen to their exact words as proof of their agenda, but their words dispel your conspiracy theory. She said nothing of FCC toll booths.