Posted on 05/28/2011 12:36:29 PM PDT by decimon
Carrot stick ping.
Göbekli Tepe in Turkey is absolutely amazing and was built 14,000 years ago, then buried.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo0ZkgqM1TE&feature=related
See Keynes and the Pyramids. The article is also available as an mp3 audio recording. The author rips Zahi Hawass, the Egyptian antiquities "expert" we see on television so often and makes him look like a fool.
Back then I would guess it was not called slavery. There were only two classes of citizens those born into royalty aka landowners and those born into servitude.
It was suppose to be an honor to be born into a class to serve the master(s).
Remember words meaning change over time. So do relationships. Only since the founding of America where a “middle-class” of free people were created did the term slavery take to a new meaning.
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While I am not sure if it was or wasn’t slaves who built this, it is logically fallacious to say that slaves are only led by those with no leadership skills, or that being led by those with leadership skills means that a slave is no longer that - a slave. This guy from India used what is known as a hidden false dichotomy/false choice in building his argument.
In a lightly populated world where you could just run down the river a few miles and totally disappear slavery would be a difficult institution to maintain. Imagining that Egypt could be run as a gigantic slave camp is bizarre.
Even the ancient Hebrews didn't claim that everybody was a slave ~ just them ~ and they were working on a treasure city, not pyramids.
Land ownership was wide spread in ancient Egypt and not limited to royals. The priestly/royal cast were needed to settle boundary disputes, especially after the annual floods, but most of the land was privately owned. I don't think many land owning farmers worked on the pyramids, though I think their taxes paid for them. Slaves, by whatever name you want to call them, built the pyramids.
Absolutely correct. And the fact that Göbekli Tepe was built 7000 years prior means the Eqyptions didn't need space gods and spork weasels to accomplish it, the technology had existed for thousands of years.
Going back further there'd been a hunter class, a gatherer class, a village class, a warrior class, ......
It is easy to imagine that Egypt had a "construction class" with it's own form of engineers, project managers, and acquisitions specialists.
And here all this time I thought the were built by aliens ;-)
The Egyptian, Zahi Hawass, makes an even more ridiculous argument. He says that because the worker accommodations near the pyramid sites look like ordinary villages where ordinary people would live the workers could not have been slaves. When I first heard that argument I had to laugh at the choice of words. The root of the Saxon word “village” is villain, which means slave.
ROTFLMAO
Interesting article. The egyptians claim they built the pyramids from free labor. I would guess it’s kind of a slap in their face if Jews built their greatest monuments.....just saying.
So these workers had the free will choice to say no to building the pyramids? Someone might say that the concept of free will choice to say no would be an unknown concept to them. But just because they didn’t know about the choice or right to say no, or just because they didn’t know they were slaves doesn’t means they weren’t. Ignorance of this fact on their part doesn’t negate this fact.
Yes it would, but that is not a description of ancient Egypt. Only the land for a few tens of miles on either side of the Nile was habitable. River traffic was policed (and taxed). And where did you get the idea that ancient Egypt was lightly populated?
Imagining that Egypt could be run as a gigantic slave camp is bizarre.
But we are discussing a Pyramid building site.
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