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Arthur C. Clarke & Gun Control (vanity)

Posted on 05/10/2011 12:11:36 PM PDT by Abin Sur

I'm a big fan of written SF. I can enjoy reading authors whose political views differ from my own so long as their politics don't clumsily interfere with the story. I recalled an essay by Arthur C. Clarke that illustrates just how whacked out his views were. and was able to find it online. I present to you an excerpt from "Scenario for a Civilized Planet", in which he outlines what weaponry would be permitted. Mind you, he thinks this will apply to the entire planet:

http://www.lightmillennium.org/2006_18th/arthur_c_clarke_civilized.html (yeah, it's looney webite...what a shock)

High-tech weapon systems are the crutches of impotent nations; nukes are just the decorative chromium plating. Let us see what crutches we can throw away, to walk proudly into a decent future.

The first criterion for civilized weaponry should be the total avoidance of collateral damage (to use another piece of mealymouthed Pentagonese, like friendly fire). In fact--don't laugh--no device that could kill more than the single person targeted should be permitted. A larger radius of action could be allowed only for instrumentalities that produced temporary disablement e.g., the "gas of peace" in H.G. Wells's Things to Come, acoustic or actinic bombs, water cannons, hypodermic guns, etc. Many more could be found if a fraction of the effort devoted to slaughtering people was spent devising ways of immobilizing them.

To deal with the sort of minor disturbances that may require police action even in the most utopian society, here are the minimum-force items that would be added to the above:

Nonlethal martial-arts devices, like quarterstaffs (Robin Hood had the right idea).

Genetically modified feline, canine, ursine, or simian aides, preferably in the five-hundred-kilogram class, playing the same role as today's guard dogs, but with higher IQs.

Passive defense robots (Robocop plus Asimov's three laws).

The permitted delivery systems for all these would include bicycles, scooters, jeeps, hovercraft, and helicopters.

So much for basic law and order. But for real emergencies, which will occasionally arise even in utopia, single-shot rifles and handguns could be issued, perhaps only under presidential orders...

And that's it.


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To: Sherman Logan
In any case, all that Karate and mountain biking and singing in a rock band is nothing more than a list of someone trying desperately not to be identified as a dork or a nerd or a dweeb or a 'tard or a spazz, which means he earnestly forsakes his own dorky fan base. Did you ever think of that?

In fact, his list of supposedly kick-ass activities appears to me to be someone who's trying too hard at concealing his true nerdiness, which, ironically, means he's a dork.

So there.

41 posted on 05/10/2011 2:39:43 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Sherman Logan

He’s Buckaroo Banzai!

Yes, realizing that fact makes me a geek as well.


42 posted on 05/10/2011 2:48:22 PM PDT by tarawa
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To: The KG9 Kid

I’ve met him. You haven’t. Dr. Taylor is more like “hyperactive.” Can’t stop doing stuff. EVER. Back when Hank Rheinhart was still alive, it was fun to watch him learn to cut stuff (like helmets and mail shirts) with various sharp implements that Hank brought to Liberty Con.

As for “Geek” what about David Drake? I don’t think a former tanker, history professor and SF Author fits your image of geek.


43 posted on 05/10/2011 3:02:55 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Little Ray

Arthur C. Clarke is a wonderful SciFi & popular science writer but as is the norm for UK intellectuals he is your typical Fabian socialist(particularly true of the early to mid-20th Century!). I define Fabian socialists as the “This-Time-Socialism-Wil-Be-Different!” crowd.


44 posted on 05/10/2011 3:06:57 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Abin Sur

I’ve loved much of Clarke’s works. It’s sad to see that he understood so little about good and evil and the right to defend yourself whether you are an individual or a nation.


45 posted on 05/10/2011 4:08:50 PM PDT by The Toad
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To: Abin Sur
This is amusing: "Nonlethal martial-arts devices, like quarterstaffs" He didn't know much about martial-arts either. You can kill someone with a quarterstaff.
46 posted on 05/10/2011 4:11:18 PM PDT by The Toad
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To: The KG9 Kid
Witness and acknowledge there's more applause than hostility for my post, madam.

So you wrote a hate filled, sneering, juvenile crude rant about people that you call dorks. Then you sit and count your applause / jeer responses on an internet forum.

Pot - kettle.

47 posted on 05/10/2011 4:45:27 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

Don’t go aggroing on me. Save your Assassination Rogue’s combat points and Sinister Strike for the arena versus a Ret Paladin, okay?


48 posted on 05/10/2011 5:03:53 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: The KG9 Kid

Did someone pee in your Wheaties today?


49 posted on 05/10/2011 5:08:44 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Conservative States of America has a nice ring to it.)
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To: Professional Engineer
Care to get me started on the 'chronologically-grown adults with comic book fixation' rant, now that I've dusted my hands of the Sci-Fi fans?:

(5/10/11) Comic Book Artist In Custody On Child Pornography Charges

50 posted on 05/10/2011 5:13:13 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: The KG9 Kid

Did your wife leave you for a geek with a job or something?


51 posted on 05/10/2011 5:17:14 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
Of course not, and *I'm* the person playing amateur psychologist in this thread, sir.

Go get your own. I saw this one first.

52 posted on 05/10/2011 5:20:41 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: The KG9 Kid

You win. You’ve out dorked me. I have no idea what you are talking about.


53 posted on 05/10/2011 5:21:28 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan
No way did I make a 'World of Warcraft' reference without you recognizing it. What true geek wouldn't understand remotely anything to do concerning that bit of nerdiness?


54 posted on 05/10/2011 5:26:47 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: infowarrior
I have always preferred RAH to ACC, simply because Heinlein understood human nature.

Heinlein's work has actual characters in it; Clarke's has plenty of big ideas...but the his people tend to be cardboard cut-outs.

Clarke never has, and likely never will...

A safe bet. He died 3 years ago.

55 posted on 05/10/2011 5:27:12 PM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: Abin Sur
Clarke's Three Laws are three "laws" of prediction formulated by the British writer and scientist Arthur C. Clarke. They are:
1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

We could tweak this a little:
1. When a distinguished but elderly science fiction writer states that something is possible, he is almost certainly talking out of his rear end. When he states that something is impossible, it has probably already happened.
2. Venturing too often beyond the limits of the possible to give you an understanding of what actually is possible eventually gets you confused about what is possible and what is impossible and about everything else.
3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from science fiction (or vice versa, I forget which).

56 posted on 05/10/2011 5:28:33 PM PDT by x
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To: Abin Sur
More from the Wikipedia entry for "Clarke's three laws":

In the Jasper Fforde book 'One Of Our Thursdays Is Missing' (2011) he writes about Clarke's Second Law of Egodynamics: "For every expert there is an equal and opposite expert."

In the first non-Asimov Foundation novel, Foundation's Fear, the emperor declares, "If technology is distinguishable from magic, it is insufficiently advanced". This is a paraphrase of Gehm's Corollary to Clarke's Third Law, "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced".

57 posted on 05/10/2011 5:30:27 PM PDT by x
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To: The KG9 Kid

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

1 Corinthians 13:11


58 posted on 05/10/2011 5:30:32 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: The KG9 Kid

..sci-fi is for nerds and dorks..

as writer Harry Crews (USMC, Ret.) once put it, “She chewed gum and read science fiction because she said it made her think, which meant she was the gravest kind of dumb.”


59 posted on 05/10/2011 5:33:39 PM PDT by lurp
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To: The KG9 Kid
Hm...you're familiar with World of Warcraft, you use a picture from The Princess Bride to illustrate your point...

Methinks thou dost protest too much.

60 posted on 05/10/2011 5:34:36 PM PDT by Abin Sur
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