Posted on 05/07/2011 9:27:55 PM PDT by tlb
May 21, "starting in the Pacific Rim at around the 6 p.m. local time hour, in each time zone, there will be a great earthquake,". The true Christian believers will be "raptured": They'll fly upward to heaven.
"and on top of all that, there's no more salvation at that point. 153 days later that the entire universe and planet Earth will be destroyed."
"I no longer think about 401(k)s and retirement," he says. "I'm just a lot less stressed, and in a way I'm more carefree."
Brown is married with several young children, and none of them shares his beliefs. It's caused a rift with his wife — but he says that, too, was predicted in the Bible.
But it appears that many became believers in 2009 after turning on Family Radio, a Christian network. Camping's predictions have inspired other groups to rally behind the May 21 date. People have quit their jobs and left their families to get the message out.
"Knowing the date of the end of the world changes all your future plans," says Adrienne Martinez.
She thought she'd go to medical school, until she began tuning in to Family Radio. She and her husband decided they wanted to spend their remaining time with their infant daughter.
"Why are we going to work for more money? "
"We budgeted everything so that, on May 21, we won't have anything left," Adrienne adds.
I've asked a dozen of Camping's followers the same question. Everyone said even entertaining the possibility that May 21 would come and go without event is an offense to God. They all hope they'll be raptured.
"If I'm here on May 22, and I wake up, I'm going to be in hell," says Brown
On the other hand, he will presumably have lots of company.
(Excerpt) Read more at npr.org ...
You may be right, I don’t know.
Gwarsh, Blush, Am humbled and honored.
I agree, we certainly all see through the glass dimly.
That’s one reason I get annoyed with so many experts who assert emphatically that XYZ
WILL happen . . . .
God seems to have a treasured hobby of surprising even His kids.
Nor I.
I just know I’ve felt within 3 years or 10 years or whatever such several times in my life. Billy Graham thought certainly by 1975.
I wasn't referring you to Cerinthus in my previous post, I was referring you to post #151, ie: - Another example of pop-dispensationalism’s own brand of replacement theology
My post involving Cerinthus was in my earlier post - #147 - The Origins of Millennial Heresy.
You wrote: "I am quite sure I do not agree with everything he [Cerinthus] says, I believe he was gnostic? I do feel he was right about a coming literal coming 1000 kingdom. He may be confused about what happens there. ..."
You believe he was right because he says he got this doctrine directly "from an angel"? How can you say you don't agree with "everything" a very "angel" (so he says) gave him? TO WIT:
In Eusebius's Ecclesiastical History, Book III, Chapter 28, is preserved a fragment from the writings of Caius, who lived about the close of the second century, which gives us the following account of Cerinthus's heresy:
"But Cerinthus, too, through revelations written, as he would have us believe, by a great apostle, brings before us marvelous things, which he pretends were shown him by angels; alleging that after the resurrection the kingdom of Christ is to be on earth, and that the flesh dwelling in Jerusalem is again to be subject to desires and pleasures. And being an enemy to the scriptures of God, wishing to deceive men, he says that there is to be space of a thousand years for marriage festivities." "One of the doctrines he taught was, that Christ would have an earthly kingdom." ..."
You wrote: "...Oh I enjoy reading Gagdad Bob's book but don't agree with everything he says either."
Even HE doesn't agree with everything he said when he wrote it. Here is what he says about that:
"By the way, there was a time, not all that long ago (maybe 15 - 20 years ago), that I would have probably more or less agreed with Tolle. It has taken me many years to undo my secular educational brainwashing, and I'm sure that some of the errors that resulted from that crept into my book, much of which was written in the course of transitioning from more of a new age mentality to more of a traditionalist one. There are a lot of things I would express differently today." ~ Gagdad Bob ~ 6/01/2008 08:31:00 AM in the comment section HERE
I'm sure we can find 20 liberals that look like fools... Too bad we don't have full radio coverage of the United States on the taxpayers dime so we could put out this type of hate stuff about them...
Then again, it'd be kind of disgusting to be like them...
He puts Mohammed and Ali both in the circle of sowers of discord, schismatics, and the like. M is cleft from throat to anus, and Ali form chin to forelock - both as the embodiments of division.
My Sinclair edition has in the notes that there was a theory that M. was formerly a cleric, a cardinal!
But since he tore “the world” apart with religious war, he ends up torn apart himself,over and over again.
And Ali, a cousin of M., was the center around which the schism between Shia and Sunni developed. So together they are the perfect manifestation of division.
An open letter I wrote to Mr Harold Camping, an evangelical radio personality who has predicted that God will take from earth all the true believers, May 21 2011. I asked him to ‘put up or shut up’....see below...
Dear Mr Harold Camping,
I have a proposal for you.
Please exercise your faith by selling me everything you own for $1.
We can contract it so that I take possession on May 22, 2011.
According to your ‘prophecy’, you and all the other believers will have departed the Earth the day before, so you will have no need for your possessions any longer.
I am dead serious. I want your home(s), car(s), cash, investments, other real estate, contracts, accounts payable, securities, any position of leadership that you occupy, and any interest in any form of business (sole proprietor, non-profit, corporation).
If you refuse, then I must take that to mean that you don’t really believe your own words to be true, which would make you a false prophet.
Sincerely,
Nice initiative, a rhetoric question: Did you get any answer?
You wrote: “I enjoy Jack and Roxanna VanImpe, ...I enjoy watching Hal Lindsey ...I read and enjoyed Tim LaHaye’s Left Behind series.”
Like them, do you also believe that Catholics will be “Left Behind”?
Will Catholics Be Left Behind?
Author: Carl Olson
http://www.catholiccompany.com/will-catholics-be-left-behind-p1001635/
This powerful and timely book, ___written by a former Fundamentalist___, is a thorough critique of the popular Fundamentalist notion of the “Rapture” the belief that Christians will be removed from earth prior to a time of Tribulation and the Second Coming.
It examines the theological, historical, and Biblical basis for “pre-millennial dispensationalism”, the belief system based around the Rapture, and popularized in the best-selling Left Behind books and taught by “Bible prophecy” writers Tim LaHaye, Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe, and many others.
Written for both the lay person and the serious student, this book combines an engaging, popular approach with detailed footnotes and exhaustive research.
Beginning with the big picture, it focuses first on key concepts such as eschatology, the Parousia, and the relationship between the Kingdom and the Church. It then examines the Book of Revelation, providing insights into the nature and purpose of that difficult, final book of the Bible.
Another chapter looks at the concept of the “millennium” and how it has been understood by various Christians over the centuries.
Olson then shows how Left Behind creator LaHaye’s many works on “Bible prophecy” ____are filled with attacks on Catholicism, and often rely on sensationalism, shaky scholarship, and subjective interpretations of Scripture____.
Olson, ____a former dispensationalist____ who now edits Envoy magazine, also presents a history of apocalyptic belief and theology, beginning with the Early Church Fathers and including the Montanists, St. Augustine, Joachim of Fiore, the Protestant Reformers, and the American Puritans.
He shows how John Nelson Darby, an ex-Anglican priest, developed the premillennial dispensationalist system, which ___hinges on the Rapture___, in the 1830s and how Darby relied upon faulty assumptions about Jesus Christ, the Church, and the Bible.
The second part of the book, “A Catholic Critique of Dispensationalism,” focuses on three important topics: the relationship between Israel, the Church, and the Kingdom; the interpretation of Scripture; and the nature of the Rapture event.
Filled with a wealth of information drawn from both Protestant and Catholic sources, this section provides a complete rebuttal to the pre-millennial dispensationalist system and the “left behind” theology.
The book concludes with a reflection on the Catholic understanding of the end times, salvation history, and the final judgement. Glossaries of key persons and terms are also included.
A strong, but fair, critique of a dangerous and popular belief, Will Catholics Be “Left Behind”? provides Catholics and Protestants, lay people and clergy, and students and scholars with important answers and information about the roots and meaning of the “Rapture”.
This is what I was talking about from post #151 where I was reminded about Cerinthus:
But Cerinthus, by means of revelations which he pretended as if they were showed him by angels,
Then you asked me:
You believe he was right because he says he got this doctrine directly "from an angel"?
No, sorry for my rambling communication and assumptions, I was only saying that I agreed there will be a literal 1000 year millennium. I came to this conclusion on my own by reading my Bible. You were the one that introduced me to Cerinthus yesterday. I do not know anything about him, but if he was a gnostic I am not too interested in finding out more.
Wow, Thanks again!
I do no know, I do not judge who will be left behind. I think Our Lord Jesus Christ can handle it. His ways are beyond our ways.
I do not think IMHO that belief in the rapture or any other idol is key, Faith in our Lord Jesus Christ is key. Only the true church is raptured. The Bride of Christ.
It would appear that Bob is growing in faith. This is key while on earth. If we are not growing we are dying.
Dante is wonderful.
You wrote: “I do in fact use Ryrie’s Study Bible NASV. ____I like a lot of his notes____...”
How to choose a study Bible
http://www.equip.org/articles/how-to-choose-a-study-bible
Read the introduction.
Introductions and outlines differ in thoroughness and length, but introductions can also differ in perspective.
If the Bible has ___notes___, they often betray an alignment with a __particular__ theological or critical approach to the text.
The notes in the Scofield and Ryrie Bibles are conservative, but they are also dispensational.
Schofield and Ryrie ___emphasize___ distinctions between Isreal and the church and literal fulfillment of prophecy
[snip]
Ryrie Study Bible (Moody, 1976 [NT], 1978; Expanded Edition, 1994) KJV, NASB, NIV
The Ryrie Study Bible can be characterized as the Scofield Reference Bible for the end of the twentieth century. Though Ryrie is an advocate of dispensationalism like Scofield, he does not promote it as emphatically. Notes contain explanatory, historical, and cultural information as well as doctrinal insights. The expanded editions of 1994 incorporated additional notes and many in©\text graphics and maps to the classic text. Unique to this study Bible is its 22©\page .Synopsis of Bible Doctrine,. which outlines major elements of theology and lists the interpretations of several major systems at each point. Available in three of the top five translations, the Ryrie Study Bible has a strong following among evangelicals
Scofield Reference Bible (Oxford, 1909, 1917) and New Scofield Reference Bible (Oxford, 1967) KJV, NIV, NASB, NKJV
Perhaps no study Bible has been so widely used or so strongly criticized as the Scofield Reference Bible. Its wide use results from its excellent organization, its high view of the inspiration and unity of Scripture, and its interpretive scheme. The interpretive scheme, dispensationalism, has also generated most of its criticism. Critics of dispensationalism feel it cuts the Bible into too many pieces, teaches different ways of salvation, and wrongly expects a literal future fulfillment of prophecies relating to Israel. Nonetheless, Scofield retains a strong following among conservative evangelicals.
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“Scriptures” are what fundamentalist dispensationalists think Scofield’s notes are. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2361127/posts?page=17#17
Matchett-PI wrote: “ You believe he was right because he says he got this doctrine directly “from an angel”?”
You responded: “No, sorry for my rambling communication and assumptions, I was only saying that I agreed there will be a literal 1000 year millennium. “____I came to this conclusion on my own by reading my Bible_____.”
I believe you. (See my post #216 above).
Maybe you might want to expand your choice of Bibles .... ones where you won’t be LED to arrive at certain conclusions. :)
Marchett-PI wrote: “Will Catholics Be Left Behind?”
You responded: “I do no know, I do not judge who will be left behind. I think Our Lord Jesus Christ can handle it. His ways are beyond our ways. I do not think IMHO that belief in the rapture or any other idol is key, Faith in our Lord Jesus Christ is key. Only the true church is raptured. The Bride of Christ.”
Aren’t you contradicting yourself? As a Dispensationalist, don’t you believe that the Jews will be “left behind”?
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