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To: kidd

I just scanned my sons birth certificate and then enlarged it. All the pixels around the text and the text are the same.

The White house knows that the document would come under immediate suspicion. This leads me to two conclusions:

1. The document is a poor forgery and no one in the white house knows much about forging a computer generated form. You really can not call up the FBI and ask them to make a good forgery for you.

OR

2. This is a good document that has been modified to give a varying pixel count and this was done just to stir up controversy and make our side look bad.


168 posted on 04/28/2011 12:10:57 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR.)
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To: cpdiii

OR

The document is the result of scanning on some budget all in one scanner/printer/fax with built in pdf software.


175 posted on 04/28/2011 12:18:23 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: cpdiii

Maybe the printer used to print your sons birth certificate was simply a better printer than the one used in hawaii? Unless your son was born in hawaii around the same time, I don’t think you can really compare the two.


176 posted on 04/28/2011 12:18:38 PM PDT by krobara18 (I fully admit I may not have all of the details and could therefore be wrong on all counts)
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To: cpdiii
The White house knows that the document would come under immediate suspicion. This leads me to two conclusions:

There is a third conclusion and that depends upon giving a little bit of thought to the entire variety of processes that we use with electronic documents.

If you use a scanner on a color document with the scanner software and you set it to make a jpg or tif file you end up with a pretty large file that isn't of much use as an easy e-mail or download document. That is the entire reason that Adobe Acrobat is set up the way it is -- as a virtual printer. It also can use a scanner as a tool in its arsenal.

Here is something I put out on another thread:


What many probably don't understand it that scanner's can create a scan in many formats. When they do that they can take a snapshot of the image in a totally graphic form such as bitmaps, tifs and similar digital images of pixel interpretations.

But scanners can also be used by a particular program for a digital file size that is much more manageable.

If you open standard Adobe Acrobat or any of the higher grade forms of Adobe Acrobat above the free “reader” you have choices of how to create a pdf. One of those choices is with a scanner to “read” or “scan” the document. As you point out it automatically can deploy “OCR” (optical character recognition) to turn some of the intense graphic information into more compactly rendered digital information.

If posters have Adobe Standard they can open the create a pdf from a scanner and follow along. Under that choice, they can open a screen called “Configure Presets” where options such as “Make Searchable (Run OCR)” are configured in the standard addition to be automatically selected unless you turn it off.

Secondly, they can then open the Optimization Options sub-menu and then they see the options automatically selected:

Deskew: Automatic (Might very well make some of the minor alignment changes we see in the layers.)
Background Removal: Low (But still turned on for OCR changes, guys)
Edge Shadow Removal: Cautious (But still turned on gang)
Despeckle: Low (But still turned on)
Descreen: Automatic (on by default but who knows what this alters)
Halo Removal: On (We already knew the Marxist didn't have a Halo so this matters only a little)

What you have pointed out and even a neophyte like me can see by opening the program is that there is a reason why an Adobe Acrobat program can turn a 2mb scan into a 350kb pdf and that reason is that it automatically manipulates the image. In summary, if a person wants to make a reasonable size electronic version of a document and starts by opening Adobe Acrobat Standard, the default settings for the program produce the missing background looking like white-out, it produces the OCR where the program picks and chooses based upon recognition all or part of words to render as Text and other portions to render as pixels, and lastly probably does a lot a things that aren't inconsistent with leaving layers as observable from someone else opening the document.

This is especially true if we hope to find an observed forgery. When we are surrounded by nails, every tool begins to look like a hammer.


My point is that we need to actually have dialogue with other posters who may have a background in something like eletronic documents understanding that layers are part of the normal condensation by Adobe or others who may be approaching this in a logical Devil's Advocate manner or we will come off looking stupid and as though we were motivated by less than the truth.
179 posted on 04/28/2011 12:26:06 PM PDT by KC Burke
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