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To: Jeff Winston; rolling_stone
11. The Nordyke births occurred the day AFTER the Nordyke births. Why aren’t their certificate numbers AFTER his also? I smell a rat.

World Net Daily speculates that stacks of forms were placed in different places. One Freeper likened it to a checkbook. There are groups of forms, number (for example) 1-24 and 25-49. When you can't find the 1-24 checks, you use the 25-49 ones.

Actually, this is the kind of minor discrepancy that's actually a pretty good argument FOR legitimacy

Different places? In a willy nilly manner? No, too many chances to screw up. I see haven't worked in a place were tracking and assigning control numbers has to be run like a tight ship.

And actually, you're using very old information, and WND have now corrected themselves. I see you didn't do that.

This is what WND says now, which is correct:

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"In 1961, the birth certificate numbers were not assigned by the hospitals.

Instead, the numbers were stamped to the birth record by the Hawaii Department of Health at the main office in Honolulu. This is the only place birth certificate numbers were assigned.

At the last step of the process, the documents were accepted by the registrar general, with the date of registration inserted in box No. 22 on the lower right hand corner of the long-form birth certificate.

The date the birth document was accepted by the registrar general was the date the birth certificate number was stamped on the birth record.

The birth certificate number was stamped on the form by a rubber stamp that automatically increased by one each time a birth certificate was stamped.

The question, therefore, is how was it possible that the Nordyke twins had their birth certificates accepted by the registrar general in Hawaii three days later than the registrar general accepted Obama's birth certificate, when the twins' numbers are lower than Obama's number?"

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292457

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Most forgers would probably iron out such little wrinkles. Real life is seldom 100% straightforward. Offices have 2 or 3 different people who fill out certificates, and there's a bit of variation in how things are done. Someone rips off a small stack of forms and puts them in one place, or hands them to one person, another small stack of forms goes somewhere else. A piece of paper sits on someone's desk for a day instead of being filled out immediately. When it's filled out, they use yesterday's date stamp, then notice later that they need to change the date.

LoL. Speculation. Obama's paperwork should have gotten there way ahead of the Nordyke twins. How many babies were born on the same day Obama was allegedly born in Hawaii?

And here is what the Hawaiian DoH have said it is done, and according to Janet Okubo in early 2010:


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The correspondence, excerpted from the Hawaiian DoH.



In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. HISTORICALLY, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i),and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.

The correspondence, excerpted from the Hawaiian DoH.


HISTORICALLY, most often the “date accepted” and the “date filed” is the same date as the majority of births occur on O’ahu (the island with the largest population in our state). In the past, when births were recorded on paper they may have been accepted at a health office on an island other than O’ahu, such as Kaua’i. The paper record would then need to be sent to O’ahu to have a file number placed on it, and the filed date would then be sometime later (as you know, the state of Hawai’i is comprised of multiple islands with miles of water in between). The electronic age has changed this process significantly, and it was determined some time ago that one date would suffice.

Janice Okubo
Hawaii State Department of Health

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As we see again, the Hawaiian DoH didn't assign numbers to hospitals or give out pre-stamp birth certificates with the control numbers on them at anytime as they where added at the MAIN office after the paper work was completed. "

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2457491/posts?page=588#588">

Furthermore, birth certificate numbers that are assigned in a chronological ascending order by birth date, furthers the ability to ease the tracking of paperwork. That's something that the DoH should have strived to do.

158 posted on 04/28/2011 8:47:31 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
And actually, you're using very old information, and WND have now corrected themselves. I see you didn't do that.

I can't hold myself to a standard of keeping up with every possible development, because frankly I've spent way too much time on this already. However, in this particular case you've missed a couple of posts. See posts #67 and 152. In this particular case, I was on it just a few hours after the new information was posted. :)

160 posted on 04/28/2011 9:02:27 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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