Posted on 04/26/2011 11:28:54 PM PDT by RC one
I write this follow up in response to reader mail regarding my column DC Knows that Obama is Ineligible for Office. Even many conservative columnists and pundits seem confused on the issue of natural born citizen, even though the matter is really quite clear.
History answers the question of what “natural born citizen” means, and leaves NO wiggle room for debate or wishful agenda-driven interpretations.
The term was first used by the British Royal family. The question at the time was how to keep the Royal bloodline intact when members of the Royal family traveled abroad extensively, often giving birth to offspring while abroad, therefore bringing the issue of “native born” into question.
Native is a term relative to geography, where a person is at the time of birth. This issue came up as a challenge to John McCain during his 2008 bid for the White House, as he was born “off base” at a local hospital in Panama while his father was stationed on a Navy base in Panama.
As a diversionary tactic to lead obvious questions away from Barack Hussein Obama, some challenged McCain’s “natural born” status as a presidential candidate on the basis that he was not “native born” on US soil, or on US territory, the US Naval Base in Panama. Congress, therefore, passed a resolution proclaiming McCain a “natural born citizen” on the basis that he was the “natural born” son of two US citizens, more specifically, the natural born son of a US Naval Commander.
The term “natural born citizen” next appears in the Law of Nations, a treaty between nations which established certain universal standards, one of which being the term “natural born citizen.”
The related passage from Vattel’s book on the Law of Nations reads as follows;
(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...
And then there's this:
It's not just Obama's original birth certificate at issue. > WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.
Glad to see JB Williams writing again.
There was a long dry spell.
He’s an excellent Conservative writer.
The US Constitution no longer stands as the governing law of this land. Obama’s many unconstitutional policies, Czars, executive orders and statements provide the proof, and the fact that nobody in DC cares whether or not Obama is constitutionally qualified to be president of the United States should send a shiver down the spine of every red blooded American citizen, no matter their partisan agendas.
The people willing to ask the tough questions are deemed crackpots and conspiracy theorists, racists or bigots. But those tough questions should be obvious questions to all Americans and every president should have to answer those questions, no matter race, creed, color or party affiliation.
I fear that those questions will only be answered at the tip of pitch forks and torches one day.
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Wow
“Even many conservative columnists and pundits seem confused on the issue of natural born citizen”
They are not confused. They bought into the lie early on and now they cannot admit they may be wrong about the issue so they have no choice but to continue the lie.
The only way DC will change, is when people rebel at the steps of the Capitol en masse, just like they are doing in Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc.
While I don't think this should be a political issue for the election (I think Obama would like it to be) it must not be ignored and we must get to the bottom of it.
At this point it is true. The US Constitution no longer stands as the governing law of this land. Arnold is not eligible to run as long as he hides his BC. George Soros could now lose the BC and run. Today's anchor baby can be tomorrow's Commander In Chief.
We must get to the bottom of this and if any crime has been committed against our Constitution, justice must be served. Any wrong doing by elected officials against our constitution cannot be ignored. Any crimes committed from Hawaii officials all the way to John Boehner and Nancy Pelosi must be served with justice - even if it means seeing Nancy Pelosi going to jail.
Anything less will result in the status quo which is... The US Constitution no longer stands as the governing law of this land.
If he had the paperpwork, he would have/should have provided it because if he has it and he didn’t release it because he thought it would be a cute little trick to play on America...what does that make him? Common sense would seem to suggest, however, that if the original legal documents existed, he would not have allowed this to go on as it has as this is clearly defiling his legacy. Enough Americans believe it now that it will be a part of his legacy and it’s his own fault, not ours. The bottom line is: it would be no trouble at all for anyone of us to provide the documents in question and we would have done so if our legitimacy were questioned. He, on the other hand, gave $2.6 million dollars to the attorneys of Perkins Coie to threaten anyone who questioned his legitimacy with massive lawsuits. That was, quite simply, the wrong answer.
Very well stated!
I was thinking. At some point the articles will be written with titles like:
“Is it possible that crimes may have been committed with the missing BC?”
“Did Dr. Chiyome Fukino cover for Obama?”
“Could Dr. Chiyome Fukino be charged and sent to prison for any fraud that may have been committed?”
Once we reach this stage of articles, I think people who know things will start to get nervous.
A conservative senate and house will make them more than nervous. they’ll be lawyering up hard at that point. Hopefully we can make it happen. Justice needs to be served here.
Not making any claims but there is an error in the article here:
“It is the source from which our nation’s Founding Fathers entered those words into the US Constitution, under Article II—Section I—Clause V;
“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;”
Not “native” or “naturalized” or “citizen,” but only “natural born” citizens can hold the office of president.”
When he states “Not “native” or “naturalized” **or “citizen,”** but only “natural born” citizens....” he refutes what is stated in the Constitution:
“No person except a natural born citizen, **or a citizen** of the United States,...”
IOW, he contradicts himself quite evidently. I’m surprised he made such a mistake when it’s there for all to see.
Again, not saying whether it is operative or not - just that he is mistaken by saying that it doesn’t say “OR citizen”. It clearly does.
When the constitution was adopted, many of our forefathers weren’t NBCs so they added that stipulation so they could be President. It only applied to them. Once they were gone, only NBC could be President legally.
“When the constitution was adopted, many of our forefathers weren’t NBCs so they added that stipulation so they could be President. It only applied to them. Once they were gone, only NBC could be President legally.”
That’s my understanding as well - perhaps he should edit his article to include that, - perhaps he did and I missed it - because as is - it looks like he can’t read what he wrote.
Your are correct - however:
the exception you refer to is “or a citizen at the time of adoption” of the constitution!
I believe the author simply intended to indicate that congress specifically stated “natural born citizen” as opposed to the alternatives “native born”, “naturalized” or simply “citizen”.
Has Obama been (delivery room) doctor shopping?
“The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”
Vattel didn’t say that in the French, nor did any English translation say it until AFTER the Constitution was written.
The individual colonies had laws about citizenship, using the term natural born subject. Those laws were changed after the Revolution to say natural born citizen.
From a legal case involving inheritance in 1844:
(page 246)
And the constitution itself contains a direct recognition of the subsisting common law principle, in the section which defines the qualification of the President. “No person except a natural bom citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President,” &c. The only standard which then existed, of a natural born citizen, was the rule of the common law, and no different standard has been adopted since. Suppose a person should be elected President who was native born, but of alien parents, could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the constitution? I think not.
(pg 250)
6. Upon principle, therefore, I can entertain no doubt, but that by the law of the United States, every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States States, whatever were the situation of his parents, is a natural born citizen.
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/Lynch_v_Clarke_1844_ocr.pdf
Agree or not, it is clear that long before Obama, courts were concluding that NBC was not based on Vattel.
JB Williams does write well and this is one of the best articles that I’ve seen written on what legally is a “Natural Born Citizen.” One of the things about the law and justice is there should be no wiggle room and Williams makes a strong case that Obama has no wiggle room on this issue: he is not a Natural Born Citizen.
Anyone ignorant enough of history and the law to write this sentence should be ignored.
The Law of Nations is not and never was a treaty. It's not and never was a document with precise language and terminology. At the time the Constitution was written it was roughly equivalent in function to what we now call "international law," was largely unwritten except where it had been incorporated into treaties, and was assumed to be based on Natural Law, a related but distinct concept.
Nowhere but in the BOOK written by Vattel is the term NBC defined, at the time. But his book is not the Law of Nations, it's a book about the Law of Nations.
Similarly, I could write and published a book entitled "International Law." That wouldn't make its contents law binding throughout the world.
The term was first used by the British Royal family. The question at the time was how to keep the Royal bloodline intact when members of the Royal family traveled abroad extensively, often giving birth to offspring while abroad, therefore bringing the issue of “native born” into question.
I have seen absolutely no evidence this is the case. Succession to the throne was always by blood lineage (with exceptions for coups, invasions, rebellions, Acts of Parliament, etc.) and had nothing whatsoever to do with citizenship.
In fact, foreigners succeeded to the throne on numerous occasions. Off the top of my head I can think of a Dutchman, a Scot and a German who did so. Nobody asked (or cared) whether they were natural-born citizens or not. Unless they wanted their heads chopped off.
Thanks RI for the full explanation.
I guess I was wrong ... Mr. Obama DID respond to the request hours after I wrote here asking him to. Thanks Barry ! Now we know ‘beyond any doubt’, since what he released today is ‘certified’, who your daddy is. And now I am certain you are not what our founders would have understood to be a natural born Citizen, and would not qualify. Do I care? No. Because I think Herman Cain might just come along soon and kick you commie ash out of our house. And that’s good enough for me period !
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