Posted on 04/25/2011 5:24:30 PM PDT by Helotes
From Article II of the US Constitution:
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. "
You lost me right there.
YOU do not show up and presume to school me on any subject.
You must earn that privilege. You have not done so.
Rephrase your rant and we'll give it another shot.
Avoid telling me what I "need" to do, in your estimation.
Because frankly I have no reason to acknowledge your estimation of anything.
Dear FRiend,
I think it is not about “crying over billboards”,
but is about attempting to show the weight of the evidence
of US citizens (unlike the impostor) who now demand
documentation.
It took some time to collect them, and if you find
more, please freepmail their location to me. thanks.
d
“What does that do to remove Obama?”
Obama may be the immediate problem, but not challenging him on the basis of eligibility per Article II can become a longer term issue.
Knocking Obama out of the oval Office, even if it is the last day of his term, goes a long way towards mitigating the damage done to our nation and Constitution, and give teeth to the Constitutional eligibility requirements for the future.
As a Natural Born US citizen, indeed, as a citizen of any stripe, I expect and demand that the President of the US live up to his oath to protect and defend the Constitution. Evading the eligibility requirements of Article II is a violation of that oath and something I cannot abide. Neither should you.
It is possible that BHO, Sr. is not Obozo's father. Opening a can of worms.
I may just do so, should the opportunity arise.
As regards the removal of Obama, though, I don't think such efforts will come to much.
If proven wrong, I'll be the first to admit it loudly and prominently.
When the Founders were writing this Constitution... the majority of those that were either in leadership positions or would be assuming leadership positions were born in Europe. If you were a citizen as of the Ratification of the US Constitution, then you were eligible to run for the Office of President. Anyone that was a “Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution”, are long since dead... as is that clause in Article II.
LLS
A valid point.
Doubly so as I have a son serving under this “Commander in Chief”.
I have to ask, though, if this issue ISN’T about Obama so much
as Constitutionality then WHY so much drama and tears over HIS documents?
He’s IN THERE, it’s an ACCOMPLISHED FACT. Further, I reckon He’s gone
in the next election cycle. If it isn’t so much about Obama as about
the letter of the law, why isn’t the focus more on insuring proper
vetting of future candidates? What the hell does Obama’s paperwork
have to do with future candidates?
I hear that. My daughter is in Germany with her husband and my grand kids just now.
I have to ask, though, if this issue ISN’T about Obama so much as Constitutionality then WHY so much drama and tears over HIS documents?
Speaking for myself, because showing just how obviously flawed 0bozo was and is drags Pelosi, the MSM and all the rest into the light of day. Some of those folks need to be in jail, we need to get those SCOTUS seats back for a legitimate President to fill, and there needs to be shock and awe for all the grazing sheep in this disinterested country to see so they will never again be complaisant, at least in my kids lifetimes, about who these treasonous bastards are.
And I would be happy as a pig in, well you know, to get half that. But to give those who conspired to do this a pass and "move on" just screams "Thank you sir! May I have another!", in which case I would just as soon have my kids home now. There won't be anything left to fight, and certainly die, for.
Well... that’s just it. Obama was elected, and the election was certified by the Senate, and he legally became President. Much as that sticks in my craw... that’s the legal fact.
If he were proven to be ineligible for office... honestly... we’d be on an entirely new legal landscape. I’m not actually sure what the mechanism would be. Is it impeachment? Well... impeachment is for lawfully elected Presidents. Would his signatures on laws or vetos be still binding? Good question... since there’s simply no precedent. Would his removal be retroactive? Or just from the date he was found ineligible? I don’t know. The chaos of a retroactive “impeachment” could very well be worse than the crime. It would certainly be more disruptive than anything that’s ever happened before in U.S. history.
It would be a harder case to prove than some people think, I think. The State of Hawaii declared he was born there before the election. Given that, what is “proof”? I have a birth certificate from Arizona, but I don’t have an official statement from the sitting Governor of Arizona attesting that I was born there. Which one wins in court? The Senate confirmed his election as President. Those are important things for which there is no process for un-doing.
Not quite. John Tyler born March 29, 1790 was the first Natural-born President of the US in 1841.
Ah, the “I’m offended” defense. It’s so old. But that’s what happens when the argument are cogent and the questions uncomfortable.
The comma is oddly placed, I’ll give you that.
Not really. The only Founders I can think of born outside of what became the United States were Tom Payne and Alex Hamilton.
There were probably others, but almost all were born in the colonies.
They do seem to have sort of sprinkled commas around at random, don’t they?
Certainly some were born in the Colonies... not all and that clause exists for the very same reason that I said that it did.
LLS
Do we really want an American President, or would we settle for a Guest Lecturer?
A better way to explain it would be “a natural born citizen is one who would be a citizen without question, regardless of where he was born.”
>> “It is possible that BHO, Sr. is not Obozo’s father. Opening a can of worms.” <<
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Actually, no.
Under the laws of every state, the husband of the birth mother is the legal father, regardless of the genetics.
There are two types of citizens: natural born and naturalized. Natural born citizens have to meet specific requirements spelled out in the Constitution - basically, they are born in America. Naturalized citizens can be born anywhere, but become American citizens by either being old enough and a resident long enough (dependent on marital status) or by being under the age of 18 and adopted by one or more US parents.
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