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To: ClearCase_guy

Yes he can. Natural born only means born in the US. The constitution does not state that both parents must be citizens at time of birth. This is a widely held myth. I verified this with many constitutional lawyers.


7 posted on 04/24/2011 8:31:39 PM PDT by Maneesh
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Apparently I’m the odd man out here.

A child born in the United States to parents here legally, although not yet citizens?

Yes, I think that child is natural born, and can run for president.


11 posted on 04/24/2011 8:33:46 PM PDT by nyc1
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To: Maneesh

Bullsheet!

Nope, the child is a US Citizen, not a natural born citizen. Both parents must be US citizens even if naturalized before the child is born.

You verified this with many constitutional lawyers! I call your bluff or I call they were liberal marxist lawyers.


26 posted on 04/24/2011 9:00:44 PM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: Maneesh
You are wrong. You obviously are new to this issue or you would know better.

Born on U.S. soil (one of the 57 states) Not in a foreign U.S.embassy, not on a U.S. ship, not just because your parents are in the military overseas.

And BOTH parents U.S. citizens at the time of the child's birth.

Oh, and the constitution doesn't say what the meaning of is,is either.

[Territories and possessions get complicated, some you aren't even a U.S. citizen if born there. Not worth the trouble to understand at this point. If it ever comes up, we'll look into it then.]

32 posted on 04/24/2011 9:21:51 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: Maneesh
Yes he can. Natural born only means born in the US. The constitution does not state that both parents must be citizens at time of birth. This is a widely held myth. I verified this with many constitutional lawyers.

The Constitution does not define many of it's terms. One must look to the generally understood definition at the time. Basically it was the the parents be citizens and the child be born subject to the authority of the US. For example a child born to diplomats serving overseas would be considered born in the country.

Both "Law of Nations", by de Vattel, in the original French, and a translations of a treaty with the French from that era, indicate that the parents, or at least the father (women became citizens upon marrying a citizen anyway, so if the husband/father was a citizen, so was the wife/mother. Not true later of course) needed to be citizens at the time of birth for a child born in this country to be considered "Natural Born".

37 posted on 04/24/2011 9:34:13 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Maneesh
Yes he can. Natural born only means born in the US. The constitution does not state that both parents must be citizens at time of birth. This is a widely held myth. I verified this with many constitutional lawyers.

Having the clause for natural born citizenship in the U.S. Constitution would obviously have been entirely unnecessary and superfluous if a child was born in the United States with one or two foreign citizen parents at birth or naturalized after birth. Alexander Hamilton wrote the earlier draft of the U.S. Constitution with the clause saying it was necessary to be a U.S. citizen. John Jay asked for the wording to be changed so that no person born with or currently having fealty to a foreign sovereign could serve in the Office of the President or as Commander of the American Army. There is no logical reasonn whatsoever for having a special clause exempting themselves from the natural born citizen clause if any native born citizen were meant to be an eligible natural born citizen. In other words, there is no possible way to construe and misrepresent the intent of John Jay and the Constitutional Convention to make it possible for a person born owing fealty and allegiance to a forreign sovereign at birth or after birth to be eligible to the Office of the President. Your claims are the myth and the abominable lie.

39 posted on 04/24/2011 9:51:02 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Maneesh

So, you are saying that “natural born” is not an issue for Zero?


74 posted on 04/25/2011 6:24:54 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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