Posted on 04/24/2011 11:29:31 AM PDT by Falcon28
Transcript via The Right Scoop:
But when you understood what made the Spartan men strong, it was the Spartan women. Because the Spartan women at the age of nine gave up their male sons. And their male sons went into a training that was called the Agoge and they stayed in that training for the next eleven to twelve years. And when they were finally qualified, when they were finally ready to join the ranks for the Spartan army, it was not their father who gave them their cloak and shield. It was their mother who gave them their shield. And when the Spartan mother gave that young Spartan warrior his shield, she gave him this basic commandment: “Spartan, here is your shield. Come back bearing this shield or being borne upon it!”
When Queen Gorgo, wife of King Leonidas, was questioned by the Persian emissary and she somewhat spoke out of turn to this Persian emissary, he tried to rebuke her. And she looked at him and said “Persian, beware, for it is Spartan women who raise Spartan men.”
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Allan, oh please don’t go there.
This is a terrible thing. There’s a reason why the Statue of Liberty is the one she is, and that has to do with Athens.
Sparta was their mortal enemy.
Agreed.
Aw, quit it with the pompousness, Karl.
OTOH. Lotsa folks take their rants at face value. Like Independent voters.
The people who believe what the MSM says are not going to listen to anything Col. West says anyway. I'm a registered Independent and I can discern truth from MSM fiction. IMO, it's time we quit giving so much power to the so-called main stream media.
Or fed you to the wolves.
Allen West has a measured speaking voice - he is slow to emotion and makes good on his effort to appeal to the minds of the audience. But I am moved when he rises to make a point and impressed with his quiet strength.
I'm 100% in agreement with you.
Stop the asinine bs.
Conservatives need to choose their words and subjects (and associations) wisely. Giving your enemy more ammunition is not smart. YOU can ignore the MSM, but they will play a huge role undermining conservatives and in getting Obama reelected.
Interestingly enough, the Founding Fathers (John Adams in particular) were more admiring of the Spartan state then the Athenian. They particularly admired the Spartan emphasis of duty and sacrifice for the good of the commonwealth. Adams in a letter wish his children to only have a ‘thin cloak to wear & only common fare to eat’ while they were growing up and learning the ropes of life so-to-speak. I am sure this was hyperbole in the letter but its a deliberate invoking of Spartan imagery to raise and educate children with love of country and duty to said country. (This may have been a letter to Jefferson but I am not sure.) Athens to the Founding Fathers was the bad example of the excesses of democracy. Democracy to the Founding Fathers was rule by the mob not rule by the people. The ancient model the Founding Fathers primarily drew their inspiration from was the Roman Republic. The most popular play making its way through the colonies at the time was Addison’s Cato. I think I read somewhere that Washington saw it multiple times and had his own copy of the play. I think I also read, he had it performed in front of the troops. (I don’t remember if it was Valley Forge or not!)
I don't. Not in public office. His position on child-killing stinks.
Care to elaborate?
Cong West sounds pro-life to me.
"In the case of rape, incest, and "actual" endangerment of a mother's health the decision truly belongs with a woman." http://www.allenwestforcongress.com/blog/west-weekly-wrap-up-w3-report-for-end-of-jan-of-2010
In other words, abortion on demand.
"No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law."
"No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Doing so is the first and most important part of Congressman West's oath of office.
Same goes for every other officer of government throughout this country, at every level, in every branch.
Like Reagan I believe in abortion only for self defense. Meaning when the life of the mother is in danger, or when serious health complications could result in her death.
I'd settle for the 96% of NO abortions versus what we have now. Roe v Wade is 100% abortion on demand.
You’re kidding yourself. Reagan himself signed a bill in California that would have conformed in detail to West’s stated position. And, in fact, it led, quite predictably, to abortion on demand.
Reagan later said it was the biggest mistake he ever made.
You’re also fooling yourself if you think that you can give up the imperative nature of the demand that all persons be protected by our laws equally and not preserve abortion on demand. You can’t give up the core moral, philosophical, constitutional, and legal principles which argue against it and thereby stop it. The very idea is ludicrous on its face.
Exceptions, in fact, were what opened the Pandora’s Box that has subsequently led to the brutal deaths of more than 50 million defenseless little American children.
I hear you. You’re preaching to the choir. Standing by your principles is great.
Settling for 96% of NO abortions versus what we have now, which is 100% abortion on demand under Roe v Wade, while not perfect is the better option of the two.
You and I have stood together on this forum time and time again, in defense of Reagan signing the 1967 Therapeutic Abortion Act. We both know that law was abused by the California medical community. At the same time, Reagan did say, it was his biggest mistake made as Governor.
Now you're criticizing Reagan and using his poor decision in 1967 to bash Allen West in 2011.
That is pathetic, EV.
If you make exceptions you've given up the principles of equality and equal protection. You've given up the principle of UNALIENABLE right. You've given up on the explicit requirements of our Constitution, which are NOT optional, they're imperative.
"No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law.""No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Show me a single exception in those words.
Bullhockey. I've never defended that. Ever.
I’ve defended Reagan, but certainly NOT his signing of that atrocious legislation.
I’ve defended him because he realized his horrible mistake in creating what for all intents amounted to abortion on demand and became someone who fully understood that the child is a person who MUST be protected under the explicit provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment.
Which he put in the GOP platform in 1984, where it remains, even if it is almost entirely ignored by Republican politicians like Allen West and so many others.
Now you're just flat out lying. You even posted newspaper articles that show Reagan's heart felt sorrow over what happen after the law took effect.
Lying on Easter Sunday will not win you any points.
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