Posted on 04/21/2011 10:12:33 AM PDT by ejdrapes
Perhaps you can enlighten the rest of us after you read your mail.
Not so sure your statement “I say the real issue is the integrity of the Constitution” is the issue. The Constitution isn’t lack of integrity, it’s how the numb-nutts in office interpret to us and advocate it’s written word. In other words, how the Constitution is being interpreted.
This is Jim's house and the "official" position of FR is whatever Jim says it is.
My opinion is the following:
Our primary goal should be to ensure that Barack Hussein Obama is NOT reelected to a second term. Those issues that help us achieve that goal should be stressed and those issues that work against that goal should not be obsessed over.
The "Born in Kenya" theory does NOT help us.
Democrats who don't believe Mr. Obama was born here = (100% - 85%) = 15%
Independents who don't believe Mr. Obama was born here = (100% - 68%) = 32%
Beating the "Born in Kenya" drum might score you points in a Republican primary but it is NOT a winning issue if you have any interest in actually winning the 2012 Presidential election and removing Barack Hussein Obama from the Oval Office.
So, how should the issue be addressed?
By asking "What are you hiding and why are you hiding it?"
It it beyond dispute that Obama is hiding his birth certificate. Not even the most liberal journalist can deny that and nobody can be ridiculed for claiming that. More importantly, the American voter can easily embrace that fact.
It is extremely easy to paint the enablers of Obama's deceit .... for whatever reason Obama wants to deceive .... as "HIDERS" .
The problem with the so-called "Birther" issue is that the "Born in Kenya" theory puts all it's eggs into one, single theory in regards to WHY Obama is hiding the birth certificate and that just happens to be a theory that 75% of American voters simply do not buy and consider "tinfoil hat" stuff.
Hypothetical example:
Candidate John Edwards was caught secretly sending money to a woman. Why?
"She is a KGB agent like Ana Chapman and he is funding a KGB spy ring to help his KGB masters. John Edwards is guilty of treason and America needs to know."
Four months later: "Seventy five percent of America is not buying the KGB theory and the liberal press is having a field day ridiculing us. Could there be another reason for the behavior?"
"NO! The woman is a KGB agent."
"Maybe she is his mistress and he is paying her off?"
"NO! SHE IS A KGB AGENT!"
"She recently gave birth. Maybe John Edwards is paying her because that is his illegitimate child."
"NO! NO! NO! SHE IS A KGB AGENT AND HE IS A TRAITOR!"
"Look, 75% of the American voters simply do not buy the KGB theory."
"KGB! KGB! KGB! TRAITOR! TRAITOR! TRAITOR!"
That's not the way to win an election, folks.
The discussion get turned 180 degrees by the liberal media from "John Edwards is a slimebag" to "John Edward's opponents are a bunch of tinfoil hat kooks" and 75% of all American voters ignore the slimebag and focus on the tinfoil hats.
Our goal should be to ensure that Obama is NOT reelected in 2012. That goal will be hurt by trying to cram the "Born in Kenya" theory down the throats of the 75% of all voters that want no part of it.
In my opinion, the "Born in Kenya" theory has more holes in it than a Swiss cheese factory. More importantly, 75% of all American voters simply ain't gonna buy it and beating them over the head with it only helps Obama paint the oppositions as obsessed kooks.
In my opinion, what is Obama hiding?
1.) That his birth was officially registered as "illegitimate" and his mother was listed as "Single". (Obama, Sr. was already married and polygamy is illegal in the U.S. Nobody has ever seen the marriage license or divorce decree of Obama, Sr. and Staley Ann Dunham.)
2.) That Obama, as an illegitimate child, was born with the name of Barry Dunham. Obama is therefore hiding a "white" surname given at birth that blows the entire "Dreams of my Father" hype out of the water.
Is that highly embarrassing?
You betcha.
What have Obama's lawyers specifically argued in Court when they have defended Obama's legal right to keep the documents hidden?
They have argued that the release would be "embarrassing" and the Courts have agreed.
Does Obama have an iron-clad legal right to refuse to release "embarrasing" information?
Yes.
Does Obama have an iron-clad legal right to cover up an illegal act such as ineligibility for the office of POTUS?
No.
Thus the Court have dismissed arguments that Obama is ineligible for office but, at the same time, have told America that it has no more right to see his birth certificate than America has a right to see your medical record.
Switching the debate from "Birther" to "HIDERS"is a winning strategy. It switches the debate 180 degrees from "tinfoil hat kooks" to "What are you hiding and why are you hiding it?"
The continued insistence on forcing the cod liver oil of the "Born in Kenya" theory down the unwilling throats of 75% of all voters will bring nothing more than continued ridicule which does absolutely nothing but help Obama get reelected.
Why don't you conduct a poll?
The eligibility issue has two parts for most.
1. The birth certificate
2. Natural Born Citizenship (Article II, Section 1, Clause 5)
I think they are inextricably linked. Without the information on the Long Form Birth CERTIFICATE, you can't determine Barack Obama’s .... but wait, is that his real name? See what I mean? We need to know his legal name, his legal age (his legal birth date), his legal mother's name and her citizenship at the time of Barry's birth. (It is Barry Soetoro isn't it?) His legal fathers name and his citizenship at the time of Steve's birth (It is Steve Dunham isn't it?). HIS PLACE OF BIRTH. As I always say.... I have seen a copy of Barack Obama’s Long Form Birth Certificate from KENYA, but I haven't seen one from Hawaii. We need to see proof of residence for 14 years in the United States.
Am I being too picky? I mean it is only what, The Constitution of the United States, REQUIRES. I don't think this is too much to ask to be The President of the United States of America. (Play national Anthem here and recite the Pledge of allegiance, with your hand over your heart (NOT OVER YOUR CROTCH).
May GOD Bless America P.S. By the way, Why does he have more than one SSN? Why does the one he now uses belong to a dead guy from Connecticut? Why was his draft registration altered, forged? Why are there so many properties associated with the name Barack Obama and derivatives there of? I mean it isn't like his name is John Hussein Smith. I mean I could go on about Micro-Finance, Trips to Pakistan, college records & grades. student loans no student loans, Larry Sinclair & Donald Young, (drug use, gay sex, and murder) but I don't have time. Nothing to see here, move along.
“The Constitution isn’t lack of integrity, it’s how the numb-nutts in office interpret to us and advocate it’s written word.”
Yes, that’s the way I meant it. I’ll be more clear in the future (hopefully!).
Figured as much. Thought I’d be nice and catch it before someone barked down your back.
IMHO, even if Barry provided it, it would be called fake . This is how conspiracies work.
Any proof offered to debunk one is simply further proof of the depth and breath of the conspiritors.
EVERYONE IS IN ON IT (except you and me)
let’s pretend he’s found out and drummed out. then what? we get Biden...Pelousy?
We need to defeat their ideas-Barry Bamboozler is just the messenger. There are plenty more teleprompter reading marxists waiting in the wings. Deficit spending Dims and RINOs will the country before lack of long forms.
(just my opinion)
Certainly my opinion isn’t an official FR one but here goes:
Barack Obama is not and never was a Natural Born Citizen regardless of where he was born.
The meaning of Natural Born Citizen is simple. It means, “Born under the Sold Jurisdiction of”.
Barack Obama was and publicly admits he was born under the jurisdiction of the British Nationality Act of 1948. This means at best, Obama was born under the jurisdictions of TWO different Nations if he was born in Hawaii. That of America and Great Britain.
Obama fails the NBC clause by virtue of his parentage. You must have two parents who are citizens and be born upon our soil in order to be a Natural Born Citizen.
Obama should be in prison, and dragged there in utmost shame and in chains.
I don’t care where the cretin was born. It is irrelevant. The COLB and the birth certificate issue keeps people from discussing what the meaning of Natural Born Citizen is. That’s the only reason I want it dealt with, to get it out of the way. Obama was never for a nanosecond a natural Born Citizen, and never could be based upon his parentage.
IMHO
I guess you are asking for Jim Robinson’s position on these issues. Getting a consensus of all FReepers is like herding cats.
Sold = SOLE!!
Sorry for my poor typing!!!!!!
OTOH, he's given 0’s eligibility issues a credibility and exposure that they've never had before.
I think most FReepers understand Trump's lack of ideological consistency, and most probably would not vote for him given another rock-solid conservative choice.
What they are willing to do is to cheer on The Donald's two-pronged assault on 0 and his sycophants in the MSM. And what's not to like about that?
I think the word you want is "incumbent".
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Gosh, here I was trying to figure out just whether or not you were a complete and total idgit, and you went and provided the definitive answer. Thanks for the quick solve on that!
Hmm, this thread seems like it should engender a nice, calm, rational discussion.
Certainly looking forward to how this works out.
An official FR Position?
I fully agree. Making sure our Constitution is not violated by the very people sworn to uphold it is a good start.
An amazing amount falls into place from there.
T_W’s real name is Norm Crosby!
Dam...I really like that “You’re Fired” poster.!!!
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