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To: PieterCasparzen
These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

Actually, there are three issues to decide if Obama is natural-born.

1. Is birth in America without relation to parentage enough by itself to determine NBC status? If this is the case, natural-born would be just another term for native-born or citizen at birth.

2. Is parentage relevant? Must a natural-born citizen be born to citizen parents?

3. If so, does NBC status require both parents to be American citizens, or only one? And does the gender of the American parent matter? It would have at the time of the Founding, but I suspect nobody would stand today for citizenship being tied to the sex of the American parent.

And then there is the whole issue of how the 14th Amendment changed, if it did, the meaning of the term.

Personally, I'm going with #1 above until the Supremes rule on the case.

39 posted on 04/09/2011 8:03:23 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Barry can't be President due to lying on his Selective Service document.

Barry can't be President because he holds an allegiance to Indonesia by way of Soetero, and England by way his his Dad. He doesn't have our Nation's best interest at heart and this is why our Founders addressed the Natural Born qualification clause for the President.

Sure he can be a Senator, but he can't be President, as he cares about more about Indonesians and Muslims all over the world than he cares about Americans. So that means his allegiance isn't for America. He doesn't care about Americans. He sees us as the enemy and is more in favor of helping his fellow Indonesians and Muslims.

Natural Born is all about allegiance. This guy Barry refused to put his hand to his heart during the pledge of Allegiance during the democrat primaries for 2 reasons. He was never taught the significance and importance of the Pledge of Allegiance in grade school because he was in Indonesia. And secondly, he doesn't have a 1 and only allegiance to America.

It's like those that live in America from other countries and sport their home country's flag. They are proud of where they come from and want to bring their culture over here. Well, whatever. WE are PROUD of our Culture even more and don't feel the need to move to ANOTHER country to display our country. If your country was all that, why not stay there and enjoy it?

That's the problem with Barry. He loves Indonesia and Islam because that's what he grew up with. And it's normal to be patriotic for your home town. That's why he hates America. He never learned about our great nation and is a loser citizen of the world. He needs to just embrace his world citizenship and exit stage left. Barry is a FRAUD.

42 posted on 04/09/2011 8:22:33 PM PDT by train
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To: Sherman Logan

The bold text in my post 17 above - which you are quoting - is excerpted from an 1874 Supreme Court ruling, which happened to be a unanimous opinion.

That case is the latest SCOTUS ruling which refers to the definition of ‘natural born’ as used in the Constitution.

Just look up the ruling for: MINOR V. HAPPERSETT, 88 U. S. 162 (1874) to read the entire opinion.


43 posted on 04/09/2011 8:26:05 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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