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Wreckage from Air France jet found in Atlantic
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Posted on 04/03/2011 2:06:30 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

Wreckage from Air France jet found in Atlantic

Wreckage from an Air France jet lost over the Atlantic nearly two years ago with 288 people on board has been found, French investigators say.

With the cause of the crash still unknown, a fourth attempt to locate the plane's voice and data recorders got under way last month.

Searchers located wreckage during the past 24 hours, investigators in Paris said, without giving details.

Flight 447 from Rio de Janeiro to Paris came down in a storm on 1 June 2009.

A French judge recently filed preliminary manslaughter charges against Air France over the crash.

Airbus, the maker of the jet, says no one can know for sure how the crash occurred unless the so-called "black boxes" are found.

The search has been financed jointly by Air France and Airbus. It involves dives to depths of up to 4,000m (13,120ft) with the use of special robots to examine the ocean floor between Brazil and West Africa.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: 447; af447; airfrance; aviation; flight447; planecrash
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1 posted on 04/03/2011 2:06:35 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

1500 quatloos anyone?


2 posted on 04/03/2011 2:08:19 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: Sub-Driver

Now we are going to hear Gaddafi did it so they can rush in the ground forces and kill him.


3 posted on 04/03/2011 2:11:37 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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"With the cause of the crash still unknown.......Airbus, the maker of the jet......."

Sounds to me like the cause if the crash IS known.....AirBUST.
4 posted on 04/03/2011 2:20:24 PM PDT by NWFLConservative
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To: Sub-Driver

Officially, so far, the ‘findings’ blame the pilots and their training.

Essentially the pilots encountered atypical icing conditions after flying into bad tropical weather (thunderstorms) which caused the flight computers to “give up” flying the aircraft on autopilot.

When the crew took over, they APPARENTLY (deduced from telemetry) operated the controls in a manner that put the aircraft outside the controlled flight envelope, lost control of the aircraft, and the plane ‘flat spun’ onto the surface of the ocean like a frisbee. Forensics on bodies and aircraft structures recovered indicated ‘vertical compression’ which led investigators to conclude the pancake impact.

NOW ... if we have the FDRs we can work with more than a few cryptic telemetry signals and forensics.

Personally I think the pilots will NOT be exonerated, but, this was a situation they did not (apparently) adequately train on. Blame Air France. OTHER airbus aircraft and flight crews have emerged successfully on the other side of similar instrumentation/flight computer malfunctions.

Also, other aircraft with the old pitot tubes like this ship have had failures that the crew handled.

When fly by wire fails on cruise/autopilot, the crew has seconds to save the aircraft; apparently that did not happen.

**IF** real data can be retrieved, it’ll answer a LOT of questions and stop a lot of conjecture.


5 posted on 04/03/2011 2:20:31 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Dallas59

What is a “quatloo”?


6 posted on 04/03/2011 2:21:13 PM PDT by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver

I thought they already figured it out. Pitot tubes super-freezing up.


7 posted on 04/03/2011 2:21:49 PM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: Sub-Driver
With the cause of the crash still unknown.......Flight 447 from Rio de Janeiro to Paris came down in a storm.

I'll bet the storm caused it.

A French judge recently filed preliminary manslaughter charges against Air France over the crash.

Is that common in France over accidents?

8 posted on 04/03/2011 2:23:55 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: cweese

The monetary unit of Triskelion, commonly used in purchases and wagering.


9 posted on 04/03/2011 2:29:25 PM PDT by stormer
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To: cweese
Monetary units used in betting games by the non physical rulers of the planet Triskelion on the original Star Trek, “The Gamesters Of Triskelion”.
10 posted on 04/03/2011 2:30:46 PM PDT by JPG ("2012 Can't Come Soon Enough" - Sarah Palin)
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To: krb

Other flight crews have successfully dealt with failed pitot tube readings.

‘They’ believe this was the START of the crash. ‘They’ believe the flight crew did not properly address the situation. Again, other flight crews HAVE dealt with the pitot business successfully.

NOW we’ll get more data, hopefully.


11 posted on 04/03/2011 2:31:25 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: NWFLConservative
Sounds to me like the cause if the crash IS known.....AirBUST.

Right. Being an Airbus caused it to crash. Which is why every flight ever operated with Airbus equipment has crashed.

12 posted on 04/03/2011 2:33:24 PM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: stormer

OK, thanks.


13 posted on 04/03/2011 2:34:04 PM PDT by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: stormer; cweese

You might explain to him that Quatloos comes from the original Star Trek series, that could prove to be helpful.


14 posted on 04/03/2011 2:34:18 PM PDT by calex59
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To: BerryDingle

They have trial lawyers just like we do.......


15 posted on 04/03/2011 2:35:33 PM PDT by Sub-Driver (Proud member of the Republican wing of the Republican Party)
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To: calex59

"Yeah... right!"

16 posted on 04/03/2011 2:37:14 PM PDT by stormer
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To: xjcsa

Do some reading and look at their safety record of late.


17 posted on 04/03/2011 2:40:36 PM PDT by NWFLConservative
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To: Blueflag

Wow, a flat spin from 30k, what a horrible way to go for the passengers, unless the g forces caused them to pass out.


18 posted on 04/03/2011 2:41:12 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: cweese

Star Trek TOS, "The Gamesters of Triskelion".

19 posted on 04/03/2011 2:43:23 PM PDT by Jonah Hex ("To Serve Manatee" is a cookbook!)
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To: NWFLConservative

BS. The most likely cause is that the pilot hit the q-corner and lost control.

If you look at the history of crashes most of involve Boesing jets and pilot error.


20 posted on 04/03/2011 2:49:58 PM PDT by Perdogg (What Would Aqua Buddha do?)
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