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To: Pelham

The points in post 120? What points?

You simply imply that the Progreesive movement as a political ideology was not confined to only democrats but also had republican support.

Even today though the Progressve movement gets republican support. So what point are you making.

It is well known ttoday and from the beginning that the Progressive movcement is championed by the democrat party.

You have never addressed the fact that Wilson also a democrat (just as the Confederates were democrats) also championed their terrorist wing (the KKK) and also historically was endorsed by the Confederate’s People’s party.

Wilson was not anti-Confederate by a long shot. He was not of the party of Lincoln and he was supportive of the Confederates. You have given no facts otherwise at all.


148 posted on 03/20/2011 11:55:34 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: TheBigIf

“The points in post 120? What points?”

Well let me help you out, BigOaf:

The Progressive Party was formed in 1912 out of a split in the Republican Party, contrary to this gem of ignorance posted up thread:

“The Confederacy, the Progressive movement, the People’s party, the KKK, were ALL democrat created and run”

As for the “People’s party”, the Populist Party, it had nothing at all to do with the Confederacy, despite what your Illustrated History of Late 19th Century Politics says between all the neat cartoon drawings. It was an agrarian movement formed in reaction to the prolonged deflation in agriculture prices, and it culminated in the Free Silver movement.

It’s greatest strength was in the Great Plains and the Southwest, which aren’t the old Confederacy, but perhaps maps aren’t your forte. The Populists did manage to elect a Republican governor in North Carolina, and when they joined forces with the Democrats in the 1890s they nominated William Jennings Bryan, late of Illinois and Nebraska, for President. Perhaps you labor under the impression that Illinois and Nebraska were part of the Confederacy, but alas they weren’t.

And then we had this curious claim of yours:

““Wilson the first democrat President after the Civil war filled much of cabinet with Confederate democrats””

I listed a few members of Wilson’s cabinet: McAdoo at Treasury, McReynolds Attorney General, Garrison War Dept, Wilson at Labor, and asked you which of these were ‘Confederate Democrats’, seeing as they hailed from New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. I could have added Bryan at State who was from Nebraska.

Somehow you neglected to point out which of these fine yankees were secret Confederates. Perhaps you were just being coy. Or maybe these weren’t the guilty parties. Well don’t be shy, Iffy, tell us who the Confederates filling Wilson’s cabinet were. Inquiring minds want to know.

And as for this BigIffy gem, “ Wilson the first democrat President after the Civil war”, well once again the first Democratic President after the Civil War was Grover Cleveland not Woodrow Wilson, and old Grover was a pro-business Bourbon Democrat. Cleveland’s advocacy of the gold standard was one of the reasons the People’s Party formed to run against both the Democrats and the Republicans, the populists believing that both major parties were tools of the big bankers.

So those are a most of the points, Iffy. I also mentioned the enthusiasm Karl Marx and Frederick Engels expressed for Lincoln and Union cause, which those two gents regarded as the vanguard of the Revolution back in the day. Now it’s likely that Abe didn’t pay any attention to the two proto-communists, but they certainly believed he was a fellow Progressive.

So I hope that clears up “what points”, BigGuy. If not, well that invincible ignorance stuff is hard to overcome, that’s why they call it invincible. You may just have to live with it.


168 posted on 03/21/2011 10:03:24 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, mortal enemy of the free world)
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