Posted on 03/11/2011 7:51:18 PM PST by Daffynition
Natural law has been apparent to people in a conscious sense ever since the first male offered a bunch of bananas to a willing female.
Muyiwah, I want some of what you’re smoking!!
I’ve never believed it was okay to beat up little old ladies! Or big young ladies, for that matter!
So, just to elucidate one more time, it is NOT a state law to show your receipt, it is perfectly legal to say “no thank you” when asked and be on your way. If they want to detain you, they must have probable cause that you have stolen something, but walking out of a store holding a bag in your hand, whilst refusing to show your receipt is NOT probable cause, they must have directly observed you pocketing something and walking out the door.
SO...showing a receipt is a VOLUNTARY action. The store cannot require you to show it, absent a written agreement, as in Costco, where I would show my receipt because the member signs an agreement stating he agrees to show the receipt!
Now, if it IS truly a voluntary action, you have every right to sidestep a line of people showing receipts, because it is VOLUNTARY. It is is if they are presenting departing customers with a survey, and asking customers to fill it out, you have the right to say “No thank you,” to the survey-takers, as well.
So, if one declines to answer a survey, or declines a free sample of jerky, or declines to sign up for a weekly sweepstakes or DECLINES TO SHOW THEIR RECEIPT, all you are doing is declining voluntary actions and sidestepping an action you don’t wish to be involved in. That is NOT line-jumping!
I hope you understand because there’s some fundamental issues involved here, that, if you grasp them, will truly expand your horizons!
Ed
You did not.
Your argument is invalid and your response incoherent in the context of the discussion.
You have not, and your post does not, answer the question:
Why is natural law on the side of Wal-Mart and not on the other side?
That question was prompted by the following statement from your post 335: "Natural law is also on the side of Wal-Mart."
I am humorless when that happens.
“Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.”
>> Sorry but “Rick” is a dick. His little display is pointless. I’m not impressed by assholes.
A foolish comment given the ever increasing bureaucratic tyranny.
Generally speaking the term “bureaucracy” is used for government entities. However it could apply to Walmart as a stretch of the definition. Nonetheless if somebody doesn’t like Walmart’s security procedures I would suggest they purchase their TV somewhere else. Wouldn’t that be simpler? Why spend your money with a company who’s procedures you don’t care for?
I stand by my claim that “Rick” is an asshole and pretty much hold the same view of his defenders.
>> and much hold the same view of his defenders.
Are you calling me an asshole?
I knew many would make the same observation and comment about his posting and I wanted to be the first ... get it out of the way, as it were.
I have been following Al for a very long time here on FR because of his wry sense of humor and his ability to stir things up. I feel comfortable in thinking that every time he posts it is with a humorous grin on his face and a mischievous twinkle in his eye. ;-)
Wow...you are denser than a head of cabbage.
I don’t hold up the line, I say “no thank you” and step around the docile serfs, actually SHORTENING the wait for the servile type, like yourself.
Ed
What they are checking is the number of items. Since Sam’s doesn’t bag items, it’s easy for someone to have an item in their cart and not pay for it. We had an extra cheese in ours that the checker failed to ring up and it was caught at the door.
Not when you get into a hassle with the clerks. Then, too, you divert the attention of the security people ~ a trick frequently used so that another thief can operate a little easier.
“Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow, Creeps in this snail mail pace from day to day To the last text of recorded tweets, And all our yesterdays have LED lighted fools The way to dusty co2 death. Out, out, brief Lithium battery! Life’s but a walking hologram, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon American Idol And then is heard no more: it is an ebook Told by an idiot, full of sound, fury and carbon credits, Signifying nothing.”
LOL! Excellent update ED.
Muyiwah, it is a voluntary act to show them my receipt. I choose to voluntarily not show them my receipt, end of story...
Ed
Like it or not, the store must operate within the LAW. If the law says you cannot FORCE someone to show a receipt for a purchase before leaving a store, you cannot do it.
You can ask, but you cannot force. I hate walmart for this very reason, and for others.
You’ve got your money, at this point I OWN everything in my bag, I have no legal obligation to PROVE to you I own it, and you have no legal right to harrass me as I leave your store.
bttt
I see, so you feel its okay for others to require you to show papers of ownership at their will??
Companies must operate within the law.. they can ask to see a receipt, but they cannot force, at least not in VA and if they prevent you from leaving, they are violating the law.
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