Posted on 03/09/2011 7:45:20 AM PST by Immerito
MONROE, N.C.--Concern in Monroe after an officer shot and killed a dog in front of high school students. One of those kids emailed us saying the officer acted inappropriately.
Police say a German Shepherd was chasing a student at Central Academy of Technology and Arts. Investigators say the dog was acting aggressive and charged when the officer approached so she shot the animal.
A dog may chase a student for two reasons: the dog is displaying play behavior or the dog is displaying aggressive behavior. Chasing is not de facto aggressive behavior for a dog.
Evidence of the dog’s aggression has not been produced.
I didn’t claim it did, I did, however, point out that the dog’s claimed behavior at the time it was shot (”pinning” a student) of necessity puts a student’s life in mortal jeopardy—by being in the DIRECT pathway of the bullet, in VERY CLOSE proximity to the target.
You are not entitled to any “evidence” of anything. In fact, you are assuming facts not in evidence, because of your desire to either attack the police, or worship a dog. I’d kill any dog that I deem to be acting aggressively toward me or another human being. People need to control their animals. Animals are subject to the dominion of humans. Such is the created order.
Thunder went to k-9 training in new york and passed the course and was put on the force in new jersey he was let go due to he wouldnt bite a suspect but to find drugs Thunder was good at it..when thunder was let go due to not attacking our family got him.
If true, I would imagine that the police in New York have, or had, records on Thunder including the grounds for which he was retired.
That would be excellent evidence to help determine one way or another the truth of the matter.
Video of the shooting would be informative as well. No one has yet posted any video of the incident anywhere that I could find (and one would suppose that one or more of the students would be filming the incident on their phone cameras.) If video appears, we shall see what it reveals.
Good point. I know that GSD’s are very protective but it just confuses me that he didn’t bite someone. Through the years, I have had two and my best friend had three. They are so fast and if they really wanted to, they could attack/maul/bite within a short period of time. I do know that many people (even around us) see our dog and assume he is vicious because of the breed and size. I am left wondering if it was a Dobie, a rot, or any other dog over say 80 pounds if the interpretation could have been the same. Some people see a larger dog and just assume they are dangerous. IMHO
The fact is, you don’t have ANY real evidence or facts at all. You have a reporter’s version of events and rambling internet postings from kids. You don’t have enough to make ANY assumption.
The fact is, police actions are not examined with 20/20 hindsight, nor should they be. All that matters is what was reasonable at the time based on the information that was presently available.
In fact, even videos often do not tell the entire story.
Watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7At5RyV_yo&playnext=1&list=PL0EE8A4DCB7C953C5
After watching this, you would think one thing.
Now watch again from a different angle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPEiRQoALcs&feature=related
Different story entirely?
You are making assumptions as well.
I am making assumptions, just as you are, on the available article and comments.
When a commenter says the dog was shot while “pinning” a student, this means, of necessity, that the dog was physically holding down or restraining the student, rendering him incapable of escape. This also means that when the officer shot him in the back of the head, the student was at great risk for also being struck by the bullet.
Video of the incident will go a long way to clearing up what actually happened. Until then, it is just as reasonable for me to make assumptions as it is for you to make assumptions.
Could have been potentially? Let's just stick with the facts here, shall we?
You are right... why didn’t the kids run inside if the dog was so aggressive. Our GSD loves to chase the kids. It is actually a game sort of like hide and seek. They go around one corner and he follows to guard them. It goes back and forth and they will take the lead as well. They try to catch him. If someone from the outside saw it, they may interpret it as stalking if they didn’t read his body language. Some people see a big dog (GSD, Rot, Dobie, even a lab) and assume they are mean because of their size. Personally, I have been bitten by yorkies and other small dogs but never a big one so I am different. I see a small one and sort of assume they can be an ankle biter. I see a big one and assume they aren’t unless their body language shows aggression.
I’m not making any assumptions. We don’t have enough facts to do so. All I am saying is that if the dog was chasing someone, case closed. I don’t care what the reason was.
As for the video, as I just pointed out to you, even video doesn’t tell the whole story.
“if the dog was chasing someone, case closed”
This is called an assumption. The first hypothetical is *assumed* to be true.
I never claimed videos tell the whole story. That I did is also an assumption on your part.
The facts include that the student who emailed Fox Charlotte said that the cop acted inappropriately.
You might have reading comprehension problems. “IF” is key there. An assumption would require me to say that the dog WAS chasing someone. I said IF. IF means that I am not assuming that he did.
I also never said that you claimed that videos told the whole story. I simply pointed out to you that videos often do not tell the whole story. You merely assumed my intent and applied that meaning to my statement.
Epic failure.
Uh huh. Prove your assertions.
And I'm sure if a student was bitten and injured by this animal, the same student who called Fox would have said the officer should have acted to stop the animal. (not sarcastic)
Can you prove these assertions?
I requested my replies deleted because I have no desire to get in a cop flaiming war.
Whether or not you believe the student’s assertion to be correct, the fact remains, that the story was brought to the attention of the news station by a student who was presumably an eyewitness.
If this dog was so dangerous, why did most of the high school students remain outside when they could have entered the building in safety? Why did they ignore the police officer’s advice to enter the building if they were convinced that a dangerous animal was running amongst them?
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