Posted on 03/06/2011 1:25:01 PM PST by bigbob
Do not listen to the polls cutting a little or a lot it makes no difference.Do it all ar once get the pain over and people will move on to other things in a few weeks.
Take heart, at a rough estimate adjusting this poll for ‘likely voters’ possibly shows a positive view of Walker’s effort.
I can’t swear to it but it does appear that way.
Commission-by, instead of done by, is the key here. I’m sick of these polls that are being held. Public opinion by polling should not rule the day. It can help let legislators and leaders know what people want, but then polling should be done so that large sectors of the electorate are polled. These days, these guys know who to poll to get the results they want. I don’t trust any of them. Surely the people of WI are not that stupid! Are they calling people out of state?
a political science prof from uw at Madison - conservative/s
ROFLMAO
Was Ayn Rand a mere author or a prophet?
I agree Diana! I used to answer polling questions, but once I started refusing of letting my machine pick up, they stopped asking.
I know it’s ancedotal, but of my friends, around 60-70% are for Walker and against the unions/Democraps. (Some of my friends are teachers and in unions too.)
Hopefully, Walker and the GOP don’t back down.
Take a stand, let the electorate speak in 2012.
...then remember to go back and call out this poll for ridicule with extreme prejudice same as they did when conjuring it.
Suspicious. Hang tough Scott..you hold a winning hand.
No polling that I am aware of. As in many states the urban/city areas have the population that is either reliant on government programs or are sympathetic to the cause. Dems and Unions work hard to keep it that way.
This ain’t about polls....we had a poll in November and we voted for Walker knowing he was going to do this, and we elected him.
Most WI want the gov workers to pay more for their pensions and medical, but not prepared to accept limiting their right to collective bargain. It is a gut reaction for most union households who may have voted for Gov Walker. Gov Christie of NJ understood this when he decided to take on the unions over gov costs. We conservatives understand the structural flaw of having gov unions help vote for their own management who is beholden to them for reelection. Unfortunately many in the public do not take time to understand that and see it as an over reach by management to limit workers’ rights.
The other problem is the current moral climate of workers is also caused by the bailout of the bankers. Remember the gov borrowed money to bailout the bankers who made bad decisions and reneged on the promise to use the money to help out homeowners and small businesses. Union workers do have a legitimate gripe on why gov is quick to give everything to the bankers and use gov workers salaries/benefits as fodder for the bailout costs to state and federal budgets. Right or wrong it is also human nature, if gov helps out one group they better be ready to help out another, otherwise trouble will break out in desperate times.
IMHO the next decade will be like the 1960’s where gov workers, unemployed are going to be fighting with the taxpayers and the gov who is trying to rein in costs and find money to pay off debt that is due. Sooner or later the country will collapse. My recommendation is prepare yourself and your family for the coming chaos. Time is running out to own a firearm, ammo, freeze dried food, means to get clean water, hard assets when paper money is worthless due to inflation, some petty cash on hand when the mobs closed down businesses and banks.
Government Unions (public sector unions) have to go. It is unconstitutional that these unions have been given the right to by-pass our elected legislatures and organize against the taxpayers (their bosses who have to foot the bill for their wages and benefits)
Wisconsin is standing in the gap!
Make this audio go VIRAL. Get the word out! Send it to your email lists and ask them to forward it, post it on your facebook page, post it on twitter, post it is all over the internet NOW !!!!!
Trying to avoid a Constitutional crisis in Wisconsin. What’s going on is much more than what you think. It’s no more just about “the budget”.
MUST LISTEN ALL THE WAY TO THE END to this attorney (Troupis) working with Scott Walker:
Be patient - it may take a few seconds to load and start playing automatically.
If the above link doesn’t work for you, you may access Attorney Troupis’ VITALLY important comments here:
http://www.newstalk1130.com/pages/mckenna_blog.html
‘Constitutional crisis’
Senate orders arrest of missing Democrats
Senate Republicans Thursday ordered the forcible detention of their 14 Democratic colleagues, who fled the state two weeks ago to avoid a vote on Gov. Scott Walker’s controversial budget repair bill...
...[Attorney] Troupis insisted the detention is not an arrest because the senators are not suspected of any crimes. Rather, he said, the resolution seeks to enforce a legislative process.
Link to news article here...
Longtime Sen. Fred Risser, D-Madison, said it was “below the dignity of the state Senate to be spending its time passing such resolutions.”
Some police - many of whom have marched alongside protesters against Walker’s plan to effectively end collective bargaining for public workers - have already objected to the arrest resolution.
Message to unions: Taylorism died a long time ago
By: Michael Barone 03/05/11 8:05 PM
Senior Political Analyst
http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/03/message-unions-taylorism-died-long-time-ago
The labor union movement is in deep trouble. Only 6.9 percent of private sector employees are union members.
Voters are beginning to realize, thanks to governors like Chris Christie of New Jersey and Scott Walker of Wisconsin, that public sector [government] unions have negotiated unsustainable levels of pensions and benefits — and that public sector unions are a mechanism for involuntary transfers of money from taxpayers to the Democratic Party.
Who’s to blame for the unions’ plight? I blame Frederick W. Taylor. Most readers will ask, Who? And those who know the name might wonder why I pin the blame on someone who died in 1915.
But Taylor, the supposed pioneer of scientific management, was an influential man in his day and long after. He conducted time and motion studies aimed at getting workers to perform most efficiently single tasks on long assembly lines.
Workers, he said, should be regarded as dumb animals, incapable of initiative, inefficient when they are not compelled to perform the same simple task in the same single way over and over.
Taylor, as Robert Kanigel makes clear in his excellent biography, “The One Best Way,” was something of a charlatan. He faked a lot of his time and motion studies. Nevertheless he had huge influence on the managers of assembly line industries like autos and steel.
Their work forces consisted of off-the-farm and immigrant hordes with little education and often little English. They thought the best way to profits was to use Taylorite methods to squeeze maximum production out of their low-skill workers.
The industrial unions — the United Auto Workers, United Steelworkers — that succeeded with government help [CRONY capitalism] to organize industries in the 1930s understandably saw their main task as combating Taylorism.
They would prevent management from ordering dreaded speedups, based on Taylorite analysis, by insisting that every change in work rules must be negotiated between shop stewards and foremen.
They would prevent management from rewarding speedy workers by insisting that promotions be based on seniority and preventing any hint of merit pay.
All that made a certain sense — in the 1930s and in decades afterward when auto and steel managers, full of contempt for their workers, clung to Taylorism. Unions in turn clung to an adversarial model that assumed that workers’ interests were diametrically opposed to management’s.
Today, many liberals look back with nostalgia to the days when a young man fresh from high school and military service could get a unionized job on the assembly line and be guaranteed a lifetime job.
Well, I grew up in Detroit, and I know that these workers hated those jobs. Taylorism, even modified by union representation, was a miserable way to make a living.
That’s why the UAW in 1970 got the Big Three automakers to agree to “30 and out” — retirement after 30 years on the line with a generous pension. And that’s why the UAW had to bargain for retiree medical benefits, because workers retiring at 50 were 15 years short of Medicare.
“The Company and the Union,” William Serrin’s fine book on the 1970 UAW strike, makes interesting reading now. Serrin argues that the UAW should have asked for more, because the companies would never go bankrupt. On that, he was clearly wrong.
But also he wondered why the union and company couldn’t work together to make assembly line work more creative and fulfilling. That struck me as nonsense at the time. But in retrospect it’s what the Japanese and other foreign auto companies were able to do.
In contrast, the UAW stuck to contesting the Taylorism Big Three managers clung to. And the then new public [government] employee unions — like the National Education Association, led by Michigan teachers — took the UAW as their model.
They would never allow management to speed up their work. Promotions and firing would be governed by seniority. They would never, ever allow merit pay.
This adversarial unionism assumed that management would always be Taylorite. But that has been increasingly untrue in the private sector and was never really true in the public sector.
As a result non-union private sector companies have thrived, while unionized companies have gone under.
And public sector unions, with their bought-and-paid-for politicians, have produced public sector work forces that are unresponsive, unaccountable and impossibly expensive.
Countering Taylorism is an obsolete and unsustainable strategy. Union leaders need to realize that Frederick W. Taylor is dead.
Michael Barone,The Examiner’s senior political analyst, can be contacted at mbarone@washingtonexaminer.com. His column appears Wednesday and Sunday, and his stories and blog posts appear on ExaminerPolitics.com.
Who cares! Gov. Walker is not governing by skewed polls for heaven sakes!
Well there's your problem! Might as well have asked Karl Marx for an unbiased opinion.
Regards,
GtG
Compromise is surrender. Never surrender to evil.
The Poll is suspect.
The poll is skewed to the left.
Q40. Generally speaking, do you consider yourself a Republican, a Democrat, an Independent, or
something else?
Republican ............................................................. 24
Democrat................................................................ 28
Independent............................................................ 29
Other/No preference............................................... 17
Don’t know/Refused ................................................ 2
Q41. [If not Democrat or Republican] Do you think of yourself as closer to the Republican Party or to
the Democratic Party?
Republican ............................................................. 30
Democrat................................................................ 38
Neither/Just Independent ....................................... 24
Don’t know/Refused................................................ 8
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