Posted on 02/24/2011 4:22:11 PM PST by blade_tenner
So, what’s the whole point with focusing on their citizenship?
The unborn are not citizens. Anyone familiar with our Constitution should be aware of that. If you are making an argument against abortion it should NOT be based upon the delusion that they are citizens, but based upon the fact that they are persons not to be deprived of life without due process of law.
Can you follow that, or is it too logical for you?
Abortion is legal in this country.
Even Blackmun admitted that if they are a person they are protected by the explicit provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment.
Do you believe the child in the womb is a person?
If so, you can't get around this:
"No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law.""No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
You tell me, what does every officer of government in this country swear to defend, a judge's opinion, or the Constitution of the United States?
THAT is what determines legality.
You've bought a BIG lie.
Then why are 2 million women getting abortions each year if it’s illegal?
Because our political and legal elites have become lawless.
With help from folks like yourself, sad to say.
I’m not pro abortion. You assume too much. You don’t know anything about me, so please leave me alone. Thank you so much in advance/sarc.
If the right to life is alienable, the legal and constitutional premise of this republic is gone. Sorry you don’t understand that. See ya.
Have a nice day.
If you’re telling the truth about your views, you’re foolish.
Abortion law in America has never prosecuted women, and never should.
Last time I checked, killing a guy with a green card was still murder.
No law, not even the Constitution, can legitimately protect the victimization of innocents.
Definitely.
....later in the thread this is made clear.
“Such term does not include a naturally occurring expulsion of a fetus known medically as a ‘spontaneous abortion’ and popularly as a ‘miscarriage’ so long as there is no human involvement whatsoever in the causation of such event”
Just what constitutes human involvement whatsoever? If a doctor prescribes a medication for a condition separate from the pregnancy knowing there is a risk but believes an illness is serious enough to warrant its use and the woman miscarries does that meet the defintion? What if a woman is a horse rider and decides to go for a gallop and falls off and miscarries? What then? How do you deal with someone who because she does not have adequate pre natal care miscarries? Or a woman who does not cooperate in treating conditions such as diabetes or high blood pressure?
That section is just way too broard and the invasion of privacy and potential for abuse is way too high. Do people want to see a whole new agency formed to investigate miscarriage? I don’t.
That has got to be some of the stupidest crap I have ever read. If that law is passed all still births would have to be investigated as if they were criminal acts. All fetal deaths resulting from natural causes would also have to be so investigated.
Do they know a woman can experience a fetal death and not deliver the still born child till weeks later? Do they know that a perfectly healthy baby can experience distress and die during delivery (think placental prolapse or the cord wrapping around the baby’s neck.
Do they even know the medical definition of fetus “Fetus: The unborn offspring from the end of the 8th week after conception (when the major structures have formed) until birth”
Do they know that a woman can miscarry and not be aware of it without blood work confirming she had a miscarriage and not just a very heavy period?
This kind of crap sets the prolife movement back decades.
So amd - what exactly doe this phrase mean to you?
‘and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity’
Why do you ask?
blade tenner = This account has been banned or suspended.
Let’s see - securing the blessings of liberty for who?
Definition of POSTERITY
1
: the offspring of one progenitor to the furthest generation
2
: all future generations
Basically your argument fails to impress me that the unborn have no rights as citizens
- or did I misunderstand your position?
Why shouldn’t the unborn be treated as any other citizen of this country?
Do you feel that the unborn baby of American citizens would not also be an American citizen?
Are they then not due the protections of any other American citizen?
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