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To: southernsunshine

‘What slavocracy? The IRS?’

Nope, that would be the only government in world history formed for the main purpose of promoting slavery — the Confederacy.


71 posted on 02/21/2011 5:53:50 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Nope, that would be the only government in world history formed for the main purpose of promoting slavery — the Confederacy.

You one of those that doesn't "contribute" to the IRS every year by any chance?

72 posted on 02/21/2011 5:58:19 PM PST by southernsunshine
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
This is what the pro-confederates do not want to acknowledge. If you read south carolina’s causes of succession the first 12 paragraphs deal with the history of the states and the federal government then it goes into the meat and bones;

In the present case, that fact is established with certainty. We assert that fourteen of the States have deliberately refused, for years past, to fulfill their constitutional obligations, and we refer to their own Statutes for the proof.

The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: “No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due.”

This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.

The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.

The ends for which the Constitution was framed are declared by itself to be “to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.”

These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor.

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

This clearly shows that south carolina succeeded because of the slavery issue. They also did it just because a republican was elected president. They realized they had lost the power to make the non-slave states support slavery.

Lincoln and congress from the beginning to the end of the war said that this was a rebellion not states succeeding. That is why the U.S. government did not sign a peace treaty with the confederate government at the end of the war. The U.S. government never recognized the confederate government as a legitimate government.

South Carolina started the war by firing on Fort Sumter. Fort Sumter was a federal fort and therefore owned by all the states.

As far as whether succession was allowed as someone posted here previously the constitution was silent on that. Andrew Jackson, a southerner, during his presidency made this proclamation to the people of south carolina;

But each State having expressly parted with so many powers as to constitute jointly with the other States a single nation, cannot from that period possess any right to secede, because such secession does not break a league, but destroys the unity of a nation, and any injury to that unity is not only a breach which would result from the contravention of a compact, but it is an offense against the whole Union. To say that any State may at pleasure secede from the Union, is to say that the United States are not a nation because it would be a solecism to contend that any part of a nation might dissolve its connection with the other parts, to their injury or ruin, without committing any offense. Secession, like any other revolutionary act, may be morally justified by the extremity of oppression; but to call it a constitutional right, is confounding the meaning of terms, and can only be done through gross error, or to deceive those who are willing to assert a right, but would pause before they made a revolution, or incur the penalties consequent upon a failure.

To sum up; south carolina seceded because they felt slavery was threatened. Abraham Lincoln attempted to stop succession by declaring in his inaugural address that he had no plans to end slavery in slave states. This wasn't good enough for the southern states. President Lincoln then decided to send supplies to Fort Sumter and even told south carolina he was doing this hoping to avoid hostilities. The south carolinians fired on fort sumter. After this hostile action is when Abraham Lincoln called for 75,000 troops to quell the insurrection. Bottom line up front the southern states succeeded to keep their institution of slavery.

79 posted on 02/21/2011 6:41:23 PM PST by armordog99
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