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To: Darkwolf377

“”My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not to either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also so that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause.”—Abraham Lincoln.

You see, some of us know these things called “facts.” And some don’t. The war that Lincoln instigated about slaves wasn’t about freedom or slaves, it was about power. I’m sorry your education and your current critical thinking, have failed you.

If you wanted to make a proper analogy, you’d probably do better if you knew what you were talking about. Slavery was NOT the issue the war was fought over, it was the issue that the war was deemed to be about once it had started. Just like people commending Arizona for standing up for it’s sovereignty. It’s not about illegal immigrants, it’s about Federal Nanny state-ism. The media is just telling everyone it’s about the mean Arizonans hating immigrants. Maybe they do, and maybe they don’t, but Arizona is asserting it’s authority in more than one issue, just like other states are. The attitude is not about hating foreigners, anymore than the civil war was about slaves.

I’m sorry to have to be the one to tell you of your own ignorance on the subject. I’ve agreed with you on a number of topics in the past.
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“Saying the civil war wasn’t over slavery but over states’ rights (the right TO OWN SLAVES) is exactly the same as saying it’s not about abortion, but “a woman’s right to choose.”

Emotional arguments belong to the left, and a condescending false analogy only reflects poorly on your ability to form a logical, reasoned argument based on facts.


27 posted on 02/21/2011 2:01:32 PM PST by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: JDW11235; All
Have you ever read the Mississippi Declaration of Secession?

In the momentous step, which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.

Or the South Carolina Declaration of Secession?

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

Or the Texas Declaration of Secession?

We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable. That in this free government all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen slave-holding states.

43 posted on 02/21/2011 3:10:06 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Who's Damaged America More? (a) Al Qaeda (b) Wall Street Investment Bankers)
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