Posted on 02/18/2011 11:26:26 AM PST by Immerito
Ok, but that doesn't negate the fact that Labs Bite.
Second, there is no information about how closely the statistic takers adhered to definitions of the breed. There are a lot of mix breeds that have some Lab in them. How many of those were counted as "Labs" in the sampling? I would submit that a Lab/Shepherd or a Lab/Rottweiler have different personalities and temperments than a purebred Lab.
Ok, so how do we know if the dog in this story wasn't a "mix". Would you agree that what most people call "Labs" are most likely "Lab-mixes", and that true purebred Labs are comparatively rare? Further, if we don't have information regarding how closely the statistic takers adhered to breed definitions, isn't it also true that they could have meticulously adhered to such distinctions?
Finally, there is no information from which you could tell how many of the "bites" were offensive or how many were "defensive." My Labs are big guys, and the older is a decidedly Alpha Male. I could not imagine them ever being aggressive toward a person who was acting normally in their presence. I once put the older Lab in a "down stay" so that he could be petted by an autistic child. The child made odd noises, spastic movements, pulled the dog's ear and got nothing but a sloppy kiss as his reward. However, I could imagine them, particularly the older one, acting very aggressively toward someone who made a threatening move toward them or toward me or my wife. In other words, not all "bites" are equal.
Does a "defensive" bite hurt less than an "offensive" bite? Is a person who was maimed or killed by a Lab any less dead if the Lab was only reacting "defensively"?
The point here was that people in this thread were claiming that Labs NEVER act aggressively. That is simply not true.
So yes, I don`t automatically side with Barney Fife, I want to hear ALL the facts, and it does seem that Barney over reacted here. I`m sure you don`t think so, but maybe you also agree with the Government workers in Wisconsin as well? I know a great many gov. workers here in Ohio, a part time Barney Fife too, and their attitudes are pretty much the same, "Screw the f-ing little people, where`s my god damn money?", now only one is a wanna-be, the rest don`t carry those plastic badges, but God help us with the ones that do.
Ah, I see, so you were at the scene of this shooting and you know all the details? That being the case, can you give us some more specifics, because the news article is quite lacking in the details.
Also, can you explain who all makes up the "We the people" in your statement? Does it include people who disagree with your worldview?
So yes, I don`t automatically side with Barney Fife, I want to hear ALL the facts, and it does seem that Barney over reacted here.
Wait, you WEREN'T THERE? I thought you were, and that you could give us specifics. If you WEREN'T actually there, how can you make ANY assumptions?
I`m sure you don`t think so, but maybe you also agree with the Government workers in Wisconsin as well?
What possibly would lead you to that conclusion? Or are you just pulling up this red herring out of desperation?
I know a great many gov. workers here in Ohio, a part time Barney Fife too, and their attitudes are pretty much the same, "Screw the f-ing little people, where`s my god damn money?", now only one is a wanna-be, the rest don`t carry those plastic badges, but God help us with the ones that do.
Define "great many". Can you also admit that your perception might be altered by the people you choose to associate with?
I’m wondering if it’s OK to shoot a cop who pulls a gun on one’s dog while the dog is on one’s private property? I’d think it would be self defense of family.
While I`ll not give you MY personal story, suffice it to say that for the last number of years I`ve been employed by the state of Ohio as a part-timer, deal with the further lack of information. But I did get the opportunity to volunteer my help with a tribute to a war hero, killed in Iraq, and held in a neighboring city. The wanna-be, who worked part-time for the city PD it was held in, held a little pow-wow with two full timers employed there, and the denigrating crap they said about the “dummy who threw his life away for Bush`s war”,never mind the crap this wanna-be said, at his full time job with us, about what THEY did when he was "on patrol" with these creeps, was enough to make me never say another kind word to this wannabe a-hole again.
Quotes from Barney,"You use a taser, because it doesn`t leave marks.", "If you`re really pissed at him, after he`s down and helpless and if there`s no witnesses, you spray him at close rang in the eyes with pepper spray.""If you do use the club, while you`re hitting him you keep saying stop resisting, even if he has stopped." Oh, and the yearly "cop parties, with the stripper/hookers and booze, complete with "unofficial" cop car rides home. The "I got stopped on the way to work for speeding, so I badged`em".And his friends in my unit said that this creep often brought his weapon onto state property, in his vehicle. Now according to DAS, "unless his job required the carrying, as an official part of his current job, or he came onto it in the official capacity of LEO, it is a felony for ANYONE to bring a firearm onto state property in Ohio", but once we tipped our hand on planning to call Investigative Services, to sympathetic rats, that was it, game over. Afterwards, he transfered out to another state agency.
I don`t believe in "officer friendly", they`re people, just as corrupt as anyone else, and often drunk with power, thats from what I`ve heard second hand and seen first hand.
I’ve never been shot in my foxhall crescents before but it sounds pretty painful....
I think cops should have a legal responsibility to retreat off of private property when confronted by an “aggressive” Lab.
You’re not afraid of culpability for the actions of your one of your stormtroopers?
This sort of thing is bad pr for the Galatic Empire, you know.
;-)
“Is this (dog killing) becoming some new ‘rite of passage’ for police officers ?”
Short answer: YES. Nowadays, an officer will not be accepted into the blue fraternity till he has canine blood on his hands.
” We own a Lab and if somebody shot him I would immediately think of finding a tree and some rope and reenacting the next to last scene in the the book and film Gorky Park, Lee Marvin style”
Let us hope that never becomes necessary. Labs are such loving animals.
Babies bite, dufus. The point is that if you have a sample of 5000 X Babies versus 1000 Y Babies, it shouldn't surprise you if you have 5 times as many X bites than Y bites.
Ok, so how do we know if the dog in this story wasn't a "mix". Would you agree that what most people call "Labs" are most likely "Lab-mixes", and that true purebred Labs are comparatively rare? Further, if we don't have information regarding how closely the statistic takers adhered to breed definitions, isn't it also true that they could have meticulously adhered to such distinctions?
Again, dufus, where did you learn your statistics? If you are saying X Breed bites more than Y Breed, the burden is on you to prove by statistically valid means that this is so. If you have no idea what criteria your samplers applied, you are dead in the water from the getgo. And for your information, purebred Labs are anything but rare, except perhaps in your trailer park.
Does a "defensive" bite hurt less than an "offensive" bite? Is a person who was maimed or killed by a Lab any less dead if the Lab was only reacting "defensively"?
Of all the drivel you posted, this is perhaps the worst. First, as I said, there is no distinction made between offensive and defensive bites. For all you know, if you know anything, all Lab bites may have been defensive. More to the point, when I see these "cop shoots Lab" stories, the cop is almost always a minority who has never known a dog and wouldn't know the difference between a Lab and a Rottweiler. I would never hesitate to have a loyal dog that protected me or mine. Enjoy your cats.
Babies bite, dufus. The point is that if you have a sample of 5000 X Babies versus 1000 Y Babies, it shouldn't surprise you if you have 5 times as many X bites than Y bites.
The folks on this thread were claiming that Labs are docile innocent creatures who would never harm another living thing. If I can show that one Lab has bitten someone, that negates that argument. So yes, you fail.
Again, dufus, where did you learn your statistics? If you are saying X Breed bites more than Y Breed, the burden is on you to prove by statistically valid means that this is so. If you have no idea what criteria your samplers applied, you are dead in the water from the getgo. And for your information, purebred Labs are anything but rare, except perhaps in your trailer park.
You apparently have a reading comprehension problem. I said "comparatively." Get a dictionary, and look up the meaning.
Of all the drivel you posted, this is perhaps the worst. First, as I said, there is no distinction made between offensive and defensive bites. For all you know, if you know anything, all Lab bites may have been defensive. More to the point, when I see these "cop shoots Lab" stories, the cop is almost always a minority who has never known a dog and wouldn't know the difference between a Lab and a Rottweiler. I would never hesitate to have a loyal dog that protected me or mine. Enjoy your cats.
You failed to answer the questions. Nice try though. I'll ask again... is a person any less dead if they are killed by a "defensive" bite, than by an "offensive" bite?
Remember, in the created order of things, one human life is worth far more than every single dog that exists.
As for your "minority" screed, I find your veiled racism quite telling.
Labs are large dogs, they can be aggressive and quite the handful if in a pissy mood. What I don’t understand is why shoot it? Why not just kick it or shoo it off. It’s just a dog and no matter what kind of dog it is they can be easily dealt with, without a gun.
Oh, hit a nerve, did I? Sorry, but I don’t suffer fools. Never have, never will.
I agree, and would do the same.
Another one of the JBT boot-lickers appears.
This happens way to often anymore to give any thug with a badge any benefit of the doubt.
"In many jurisdictions the intentional injuring or killing of a police dog is a felony,[1]"
Maybe in your created order, but not in mine, nor under the established law in the US. I can think of at least a few humans who rank lower than my dog.
I think the reverse is true. You were the one that immediately started projecting, and still are.
“JBT”
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