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For teens, illegal guns easy to get on streets : Stolen weapons often come cheap
Seatlle Post Intelligencer ^ | Casey McNerthney

Posted on 02/15/2011 12:46:43 PM PST by SeekAndFind

When 16-year-old Luis Cosgaya-Alvarez wanted to get a gun, police say, he didn't have to look far.

Cosgaya-Alvarez bought a .40-caliber handgun on the street in downtown Kent from an illegal dealer, court documents say.

Less than two weeks later, Cosgaya-Alvarez, a self-proclaimed gang member, fired a single shot from that gun to kill a man he argued with outside a Federal Way school, according to documents used to charge him with murder.

The shooting underscored a persistent problem of juveniles using guns in crime: The weapons are simple to get and cheap. They are for sale not just on street corners in Kent but throughout the region.

"People can get stolen guns for 50, 100 bucks," said Gabe Morales, a local gang expert who works with police and at-risk youths. "It's easier to get a gun than it is to get a car."

You can't buy rifles or shotguns in Washington until age 18. People can possess a pistol in limited circumstances at 18 but can't purchase one or carry a concealed pistol until age 21.

Morales said teens unable to get a handgun legally often ask around on the streets until they're connected with street dealers who specialize in selling firearms. Sometimes they peddle a range of guns from the trunks of their cars.

The illegal guns frequently end up in police reports.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattlepi.com ...


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: guns; illegalguns; stolenweapons; teens
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To: SeekAndFind
Less than two weeks later, Cosgaya-Alvarez, a self-proclaimed gang member,

'Gang membership' itself needs to made a crime, and any juvenile accused of it needs to be tried as an adult. If convicted, they should receive a minimum 10 year sentence with no early release under any circumstance. Once in prison, all tattoos should be forcibly removed, and they should be subjected to being castrated and lobotomized if they cause trouble. Murderers should be publicly hanged. Convicts that are illegal aliens, if they survive that hard time, should be implanted with an RFID chip and deported back to their country of origin: the chip would alert authorities if they reenter the country.

Problem solved.

21 posted on 02/15/2011 2:25:21 PM PST by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Geez, gotta get to the very end before the truth is told....

Responsible gun owners would never defend street thugs or illegal gun use, said Dave Workman, senior editor of Gun Week and author of "Washington State Gun Rights and Responsibilities." And he said additional laws won't stop the criminals who already have no regard for them.

"I think if you really want to address the problem of disarming street thugs, you've got to enforce the existing statutes, which unfortunately often wind up getting plea-bargained away," he said. "If you stick them with an enhanced sentence for using an illegal gun in a crime, they're going to go away for a hell of a long time, and it's going to hurt."

22 posted on 02/15/2011 2:46:48 PM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Let me ask a theoretical question. Would the Tucson gunman, Jared Loughner be able to obtain a gun to kill if he were not allowed to buy it legally?


23 posted on 02/15/2011 2:47:54 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: raybbr

Let me ask a theoretical question. Would the Tucson gunman, Jared Loughner be able to obtain a gun to kill if he were not allowed to buy it legally?


24 posted on 02/15/2011 2:48:46 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Let me ask a theoretical question. Would the Tucson gunman, Jared Loughner be able to obtain a gun to kill if he were not allowed to buy it legally?

Sure. What's the point?

25 posted on 02/15/2011 3:16:39 PM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: raybbr

RE: Sure. What’s the point?


Some libs have been arguing that a crazy, deranged man like him would be incapable of being resourceful enough to look for the source of any illegal gun for sale. I heard that argument all around New York City.

Here’s the argument : “If guns were not easy to buy in Arizona, or if possession were illegal, a crazy man like Jared Loughner would not have been able to buy it legally and thus would not be able to possess it and thus would not be able to kill. And since he’s insane, he does not have the resourcefulness to look for illegal sellers.”

Not my argument, just sharing it with folks here.


26 posted on 02/15/2011 4:27:06 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Some libs have been arguing that a crazy, deranged man like him would be incapable of being resourceful enough to look for the source of any illegal gun for sale. I heard that argument all around New York City.

That's called projection. Because libs, in general, are incapable of rational thought and have very little common sense while being crazy they think all crazy people have little common sense and are incapable of rational thought.

27 posted on 02/15/2011 4:31:25 PM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Let me ask a theoretical question. Would the Tucson gunman, Jared Loughner be able to obtain a gun to kill if he were not allowed to buy it legally?

Of course!

28 posted on 02/15/2011 7:29:29 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: SeekAndFind
Theoretically he could have put 20 pounds of fertilizer, a gallon of diesel and a box of nails in a backpack wired to a d cell battery and done worse.
29 posted on 02/15/2011 9:05:51 PM PST by mmercier
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To: SeekAndFind

FYI: The NRA is the OLDEST, and FAR AND AWAY the LARGEST, Civil Rights organization in the WORLD! It is exclusively dedicated to the USA’s 2nd Amendment!


30 posted on 02/18/2011 7:48:20 PM PST by 2harddrive
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