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The moment Britain became an island
BBC News Magazine ^ | Monday, February 14, 2011 | Megan Lane

Posted on 02/14/2011 6:31:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv

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To: kbennkc
Yep. I think her husband, shown with her above, was a musician.

Close. He was a drummer.

Barbara Bach was about as physically fit as a woman could be in those days. And all natural too, I'm guessing.

41 posted on 02/16/2011 4:12:08 AM PST by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average. Politicians come from the other half.)
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To: SunkenCiv; Bernard Marx

Of course Plato just mentioned it in passing, so there was a lot of myth around it even then. Who knows, it may have originated with a Mycenean village of 200 being submerged by a wave in 1900 BC ;-P


42 posted on 02/16/2011 5:17:08 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: SunkenCiv
" The former banks of the former estuaries would be the best places to start searching, IMHO."

Yup. The Rhine and Thames were once the same river.

43 posted on 02/16/2011 6:48:09 AM PST by blam
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To: Cronos
"you mean Scots (Scotti from Ireland) are related to Gaels (highlanders) are related to the Norse invaders and to the Finns?"

Many of the Sa'ami of Finland are mtDNA U5a as are Cheddar Man and my grandmother.
I'm Irish and 52% of the Scolt Sa'ami have the same mtDNA as me, 'V'.

So....

44 posted on 02/16/2011 6:57:02 AM PST by blam
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To: Cronos
Another take:

Where Do The Finns Come From?

(ahem) I have big teeth.

45 posted on 02/16/2011 7:04:53 AM PST by blam
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To: Cronos; SunkenCiv
there was a lot of myth around it even then

There certainly was, and Plato was writing about an event that occurred long before his time. His account can hardly be taken as fact.

If the speed of inundation is an issue, the theory in question involves a huge ice-dammed lake in Scandinavia that suddenly voided its reservoir due to "global warming." When those things finally flooded (and there were clearly many of them), all hell broke loose. Vast amounts of low-lying territory could have been flooded very quickly.

For comparison purposes look into a similar event caused by Pleistocene Lake Missoula that created the Scablands in Idaho-Washington. Or the violent flooding that occurred when former Lake Bonneville (now a small remnant called the Great Salt Lake) poured at an estimated 15 million cubic feet of water per second through the Portneuf Narrows LAKE BONNEVILLE

46 posted on 02/16/2011 8:51:26 AM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Cronos

Two of Plato’s dialogues are in large part devoted to the discussion of Atlantis, so it wasn’t really just mentioned in passing. He’s literally the only ancient source of the tale; there’s a reference I’ve seen to a later Greek tourist, Creon, who claimed to have seen the written version of the story orally transmitted in the dialogues, carved on a wall of some grand building in Egypt, but as there is no such written version on any known Egyptian structure, Creon was probably getting buggered by a tour guide, who were no more reliable then than they are now.


47 posted on 02/16/2011 5:02:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv; Bernard Marx; blam
Creon was probably getting buggered by a tour guide, who were no more reliable then than they are now.

:)

Isn't there supposed to be graffiti on the pyramids dating back to Roman times (of the kind "xxx was here")?
48 posted on 02/16/2011 11:30:32 PM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: Cronos; SunkenCiv
Creon was probably getting buggered by a tour guide, who were no more reliable then than they are now.

And on that humorous note I revert to my original idea expressed in the words of classical scholar Daniel Dombrowski:

"Atlantis was only a powerful literary device invented by Plato, which was to act as a means of highlighting the fate of the ideal state created in Plato's mind's eye. The only place in which Atlantis can be found, in addition to the writings of Plato, is in the minds of those with an imagination as vivid as that of Plato."

49 posted on 02/17/2011 9:19:16 AM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Bernard Marx

That’s a possibility, and I don’t doubt that the rinky-dink details such as the semi-divine origin of the rulers, how they took turns sharing power and so forth were all typical of Plato’s thought exercises on politics. The fact remains that the continental shelf was dry land 10s of 1000s of years ago, and repeatedly submerged and exposed a number of times over the past two million years, the period when humans were coming around. IOW, Plato’s literary device was based on very old oral traditions which were, like the secret word in the game of telephone, altered in transmission over hundreds of generations, or perhaps many more generations than that.


50 posted on 02/17/2011 6:35:29 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Cronos

The Great Pyramid was open to tourists during later Hellenistic and throughout Roman times, then blocked back up during the 5th or 6th century, a job done so neatly that the later break-in during Muzzie times couldn’t find it. Anyway, there’s an oddball inscription carved on the lintel over the original entrance, it consists of four characters, hmm, there’s a topic about this somewhere...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1331709/posts?page=83#83

Also, parts of the original limestone facing on the Great Pyramid were carved with hieroglyphs, presumably dating back to the time of construction. That stone was pretty nice, and was carted off to build mosques and such in Cairo. The unfinished pyramid of Djedjefre — Khufu’s son and successor — at Abu Roash a few miles north of Giza was still being used as a quarry during the late 19th century.

The inside walls of the Great Pyramid were originally covered with plaster, a practice that was ubiquitous in ancient Egypt. Despite those centuries of Greek and Roman tourists, and the Muzzies, and moderns, some of that original plaster remained. A fragment of text on the plaster made reference to one year of Khufu’s reign, the Year of the Cattle Drive. It has since crumbled away.


51 posted on 02/17/2011 6:49:26 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Cronos

Whoops, but yeah, there’s Greek and Roman graffiti on the Pyramids, on the so-called Memnon Colossi, on monumental art all over the place in ancient Egypt.


52 posted on 02/17/2011 6:59:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Bernard Marx
Daniel Dombrowski:
"Atlantis was only a powerful literary device invented by Plato, which was to act as a means of highlighting the fate of the ideal state created in Plato's mind's eye. The only place in which Atlantis can be found, in addition to the writings of Plato, is in the minds of those with an imagination as vivid as that of Plato."
I've not heard that one before, thank you! Dąmbrowski, a very Polish name :)
53 posted on 02/17/2011 11:22:00 PM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: SunkenCiv

Why do you think they blocked it back up again?


54 posted on 02/17/2011 11:52:32 PM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: Cronos

Probably had to do with the rapid shift away from pagan religions to Christianity.


55 posted on 02/18/2011 4:44:15 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam; Bernard Marx

But yet by the 6th century, Egypt was Christian for 300+ years. In fact, it was arguably the centre of Christian thought. So why that period for the pyramids to be boarded?


56 posted on 02/18/2011 5:44:26 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: blam

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"The geographical spread of some lineages are interesting. We unexpectedly see a identical V HVR1 and HVR2 lineage both among Saami and native Irish. This is possibly Scandinavian women with Saami ancestry or Saami women following Norse settlers to Ireland under the Viking age settlements, because else we would expect to see these other lineages also well represented in Britain and in the earlier colonies where the testing have been dense. Extremly slow mutation rate in this V lineage is also a possible explanation."
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57 posted on 02/18/2011 8:52:35 AM PST by Viiksitimali
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To: Viiksitimali; SunkenCiv
" This is possibly Scandinavian women with Saami ancestry or Saami women following Norse settlers to Ireland under the Viking age settlements..."

With the correct audience and without any evidence what-so-ever, I accent my Viking heritage. (ahem)

58 posted on 02/18/2011 12:04:30 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Hey, who wouldn’t wanna sack a town, I mean, be honest. ;’)


59 posted on 02/18/2011 12:36:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Cronos

Christians were officially persecuted in the Roman Empire until the 4th c, and there was at least one pagan revival after Constantine. The shift from paganism to Christianity wasn’t yet complete when Mohammed emerged with his largely plagiarized screed and his mass-murdering pedophilic ways.


60 posted on 02/18/2011 12:48:58 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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