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I'm tired of hearing some people, even from FR say that we need to "rise above the fray"!
Saturday January 22, 2011

Posted on 01/22/2011 10:24:53 AM PST by Bigtigermike

I'm sick and tire some on our side buying into the myth that if we just "rise above the fray" from attacks that are scurrilous and baseless that we will somehow win the arguments against us! That's pure bull!

We are playing right into the hands of the MSM and liberals when we act civil and honorable "according to their rules of acting civil and honorable" which is to shut up and sit down about conservatism and not fight back. The only kind of people that the left and MSM consider honorable are people like Bob Dole and John McCain both of whom lost by not fighting.

Speaking of McCain, notice how 'civil' he was in 2008 "[Senator Obama] is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared about as President of the United States,". There's a difference between rhetoric and record, but you can still be respectful," McCain said to one questioner. "I will point out his record and I will do it with respect."

Did Obama act respectful and civil? Linking President Bush and Senator John McCain as partners in “the failed policies” of the past seven years and criticizing them for “hypocrisy, fear peddling, fear mongering.”? "They're going to try to make you afraid of me. They're going to say you know what, "He's young and inexperienced and he's got a funny name. Did I mention he's black?"

The MSM called McCain's rallies vitriolic and tinged with racism and hateful but said that Obama has run a clean, non-slanderous campaign and deserves respect. He is the one that wishes to address the issues and look how wonderful Obama is, he will help heal the nation.!!!

What happened in 2008 is almost happening in 2011 with the attacks on Sarah over the Tucson attacks; Barack Obama stood back for days and let his supporters in the media and left rip Palin apart, only then to proclaim that we don't really know what happened in Tuscon and let the media narrative was how wonderful Obama is!

But this time Sarah fought back after a few days and only had a few choice towards the media, and the left and media STILL ATTACKED HER OVER IT'!

If all the others here or pundits like Dick Morris or even FOX NEWS are gonna sit around and watch this happen and say "don't do nothing" or be tepid in a response at best then they need a brain analysis. If Conservatives cannot defend themselves over these baseless, libelous charges then they got no business running. period!


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To: Quix; GingisK
LITERALLY THEIR BRAINS ARE TRULY LITERALLY ‘WIRED’ DIFFERENTLY

I often feel that I speak a completely different language than everyone around me. That's why I try to take a moment and consider my words. It usually keeps me out of trouble.

When I find myself in a situation like the unfortunate Gingis, I don't try to blame everyone else. Instead I go back and check myself or ask others if I seemed out of line. It's called personal responsibility for ones behavior. It's a very conservative concept.

261 posted on 01/22/2011 9:03:26 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear; GingisK

Of course . . . Wise choices and actions.

However . . .

have you ever tried to do that

or have you been quickly responsible and effective in doing that

WHEN

you were also awash in intense conflicting feelings and circumstances such that it was hard to get your bearings and know even what you thought and felt and might have cause to apologize about?

And have you done so 100% of the time in such circumstances?


262 posted on 01/22/2011 9:07:29 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Windflier
That only works with rational, civilized people. The left is neither. They're a barbarian horde - a pestilence that has infected the body politic, and is eating its brain out while debilitating its limbs.

There is no reasoning or being "civil" with monsters who are trying to devour you alive.

Right you are! EXACTLY the point I was trying to make.

263 posted on 01/22/2011 9:09:28 PM PST by teletech (Say NO to RINOS!)
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To: Quix
In many cases it dissolved into a fist fight; usually followed up with a couple of beers and a new friend.
264 posted on 01/22/2011 9:25:37 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: GingisK
Jesus did the same without crude and abusive language.

Yea,... he used a whip and turned over the money changes tables to make his point...."You will not make my fathers house a den of thieves." He called some..."white washed hypocrates"...."snakes" ....and a few other choice phrases. Additionally, the bible does say there is a time for every thing....war and to refrain from...to live and to die...to laugh and to cry. This feeble mushy tolerance out there today is not the Christ I know...nor would I want to. We are called to stand for the truth....not take falsehood sitting down. That has been done many yers now and it is "time" to stand..and that we shall indeed do.

265 posted on 01/22/2011 9:34:09 PM PST by caww
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To: GingisK
"push back" with skillful use of language.

Well now that would determine by whose measurement is skilled, now wouldn't it?

Some just don't like to feel uncomfortable with certain language...or emotions with it. But they should not stand in the way of those who have language that gets the point across in no other way.

I recall trying time and time again to get a bully sister to hear me...fruitless to try. But the day came when she stepped far over my boundaries and I rose to that occassion. My voice went ten octives higher than any of my family had heard before....I made my point clearly and directly. ..and that with volune and a few choice words to take it home to the ears hearing.

After this my sister understood...saying "Sometimes people have to get on my level for me to hear them". And since that day she has never tangled with me again. She listens now.

We have no right to dictate or assume "language" needs to measured across the board...it is simply a means of communicating...regardless of the choice of words.

266 posted on 01/22/2011 9:44:25 PM PST by caww
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To: Grizzled Bear

Life can sure be like that.

LOL.

LUB BRO.


267 posted on 01/22/2011 9:48:14 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Mad Dawgg

lolrotf...I wasn’t at all expecting that.


268 posted on 01/22/2011 9:49:08 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

I agree.


269 posted on 01/22/2011 9:49:31 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: GingisK
Take a good long look at Britain's Parliament when it's in session. and other nations as well. We are pussy cats by comparison.
270 posted on 01/22/2011 9:51:13 PM PST by caww
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To: GingisK
are unwilling to seek compromise.

I don't think the American people are looking for compromise....I know I'm not. I want this ship turned completely around...it's going the wrong way in every way. That means no compromise on the direction...it needs to come full circle.

271 posted on 01/22/2011 9:58:47 PM PST by caww
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To: Quix

Maybe it’s his “test”....how much can he handle before he reaches the point of anger...or will he walk away. That’s what Republicans have been doing for far too long...and now the people are saying if they won’t fight this progressive movement on their behalf...the people surely will...and are on a daily.

Even in my work place I see this. Most are liberal and yet speechless when you give them the facts...then their only recourse is to start the badgering and stupid reponses we so often hear here.


272 posted on 01/22/2011 10:11:24 PM PST by caww
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To: Quix

Thanks Quix.

I know people that cannot stand to hear people swear or use foul language...but we forget Jesus hears this 24/7....because He is listening more to the heart and mind saying what it is trying to say that might otherwise be more statesmanlike.

I remember the first time I got angry with God....that everything happening around me made Him look like all His promises were lies...and that if I didn’t know better I could have called Him a lyer.

Now some Christians might find this more than offensive to God. But I learned when He says to lay our burdens before Him that can sometimes mean we come just exactly as we are...emotions and all. Far better my anger went to Him. ..and I found in Him such understanding... a great “friend” in Christ that day.


273 posted on 01/22/2011 10:22:22 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

TRUE TRUE.

Taiwan’s has often broken out into fisticuffs!


274 posted on 01/22/2011 10:23:55 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: caww

INDEED.


275 posted on 01/22/2011 10:24:41 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: caww

QUITE SO. VERY TRUE.

Though IN GENERAL

it is very wise to keep one’s respect of WHO HE IS well in place.

LOL.

HE IS THE BOSS AS WELL AS DADDY.


276 posted on 01/22/2011 10:25:52 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Japan does too..saw that on you tube! They were all pounding on each other. But each side knew and understood what this was about...there was no question...and that emotion and physical bout brought things to the point where they could then determine the course of action.
“respect”, contrary to what most would have thought..was established thru that.

The point is these parliments get things done...our congress sits down next to each other and plays cutsey far to often....they don’t get their points across...and no longer can without the American people standing as well.


277 posted on 01/22/2011 10:31:18 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

Our Congress is a facade, a farce.

They haven’t represented the people truly for decades.

The ruling oligarchy has very effectively seen to that.

It is a charade to distract the people and drain a lot of their money in destructive futility.


278 posted on 01/22/2011 10:55:00 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Did you ever notice if any get riled up the media takes it as them blowing their cool entirely. I cannot stand our media. Worst in the world...even China in some respects. At least the people there know they are being bamboozled.


279 posted on 01/22/2011 11:00:32 PM PST by caww
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To: Dacula
try being an Atlanta Falcons fan. Their theme is ‘Rise up’

They lost! Hel-loooooo!

Point!!

280 posted on 01/23/2011 3:56:03 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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