Posted on 01/21/2011 9:25:22 AM PST by AnalogReigns
If the registrar accepts the information as legit and registers the birth with 7 days of said birth, then indeed it does result in a standard birth certificate, immediately.
That's why there are delayed certificates and certificates of Hawaiian birth.
Delayed birth certificates were only issued when the birth is registered more than 30 days after the fact. Certificates of Hawiian birth were only issued when the birth was registered more than one year after the fact.
Since Obama's birth was registered within FOUR DAYS, we know for a fact his birth record must contain a standard birth certificate.
There was also a handwritten ledger for listing births.
There isn't, nor has there ever been, a ledger a listing births for which there isn't a birth certificate of some form on file, be it a standard BC, a delayed BC, or a COHB. Period.
If Abercrombie was talking about a birth certificate, he would say so, no???
Because it is obvious to anyone who isn't determined to prove, against all evidence, that Obama doesn't have one.
There's no verifiable, legal evidence that Obama received a standard birth certificate. Abercrombie couldn't find it.
Since Obama's birth was registered within FOUR DAYS, we know for a fact his birth record must contain a standard birth certificate.
It may have been registered within four days, there's NO PROOF it was accepted by the state registrar and resulted in a standard birth certificate.
There isn't, nor has there ever been, a ledger a listing births for which there isn't a birth certificate of some form on file, be it a standard BC, a delayed BC, or a COHB. Period.
This is nonsense. The law says, "The department shall prescribe the time within which a supplementary report furnishing information omitted on the original certificate may be returned for the purpose of completing the certificate. Certificates of birth completed by a supplementary report shall not be considered as "delayed" or "altered"."
IOW, information is registered and a certificate may be started, but it doesn't have to result in an immediate issuing of a standard birth certificate. Ledgers are a standard way of listing births, deaths and marriages. A ledger-style list was sent out to, I believe to either Appuzo or Donofrio, of the COHBs.
Because it is obvious to anyone who isn't determined to prove, against all evidence, that Obama doesn't have one.
Abercrombie said it was a quest or something to find the original birth certificate so he could put this issue to rest. It's silly to think he would substitute some awkward verbiage in place of the words "original birth certificate" ... although now it doesn't matter since his attorney general got him off the hook by claiming the certificate can't be disclosed without Obama's permission ... as if Abercrombie, Obama's longtime family friend, would never be able to get permission. Weird.
Webster’s disagrees with you. “Written” is a general term that can either refer to handwritten or typewritten.
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If you haven’t noticed the commie likes to use common vernicalur so I doubt when making this declarative statement that the meaning of written was derived out of Websters dictionary.
If the registrar accepts the information as legit and registers the birth with 7 days of said birth, then indeed it does result in a standard birth certificate, immediately.
Filed by Registrar vs. Accepted by Registrar
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2304917/posts?q=1&;page=201
237 posted on Saturday, August 01, 2009 2:01:43 PM by DrC
Excerpt:
The indisputable FACT that Obama’s COLB uses “Date Filed” instead of “Date Accepted” is EXTREMELY STRONG EVIDENCE that Obama was not born in a Honolulu hospital as claimed. If he was delivered in Kapi’olani by Dr. Rodney West, as claimed by Snopes.com, for example (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp) Dr. West would have signed the certificate; it then would have “Date Accepted” on it.
Maybe curiosity should be a little more curious...
Thanks, duly noted.
“Sigh. The law you are citing was passed in 1982. There was no provision for registration of foreign births on books at the time Obama’s birth was registered in 1961.”
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[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.
(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
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Big deep heavy sigh, omision and distraction has been strong on this Kool-Aid talking point.
In 1982 they adopted a revised statue of certificates that were in effect before 1982 under territorial law 57.
“What in fact the territorial statute in effect before the 1982 statute sets out is an even greater latitude enabling and entitling persons to register a child for up to a year after its birth and to do so, if not attended by a locally licensed physician or midwife, for the parents or one of them to fill out the birth certificate or for a “local registrar” to fill out a birth certificate “from anyone having knowledge of the birth.”
Thus a child born outside of Hawaii and attended by a non-Hawaii licensed health care provider or born unattended could get a Hawaii birth certificate nonetheless.”
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24948817/Joint-Motion-with-HI-Territorial-Law-57
I’ve see this list many times, but just had a great thought. Wouldn’t it be great if Sarah Palin...or any good conservative candidate who ends up running...held a news conference and brought in a stack of personal papers that correlate with the papers in your list and said, “Here is my documented history. Review it and comment on it as you like. Unlike my opponent I have nothing to hide. I have only one stipulation; that you obtain the same documents from my opponent and report on those accordingly...or report on WHY he will not produce those documents.”
Check and mate. Only by eliminating all avenues of retreat will the media EVER report of Zero’s absence of personal history. And if the GOP candidates had any testicular fortitude at all, all the primary candidates would say, “No debate until Zero produces the papers. WHERE ARE THE DOCUMENTS?!”
I see millions of cars with bumper stickers and buttons that say: “Who is Obama?”
If only there were GOPers with gonads....
I wouldn’t call myself a “birther” rather an agnostic on the subject—in that I don’t know one way or another whether it’s a real story or not....
No one, it seems, has unambiguously claimed to have seen the long-form BC, and it fits into a pattern of a long listing of hidden/covered-up background specifics about Obama.
I’ve followed your posts, and you obviously think birthers are totally nuts, but how do your react to lists like the one below (posted earlier) that show virtually everything specific about Obama’s past is sealed or covered up?
1 Certified copy of original birth certificate
2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parent’s marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
(Did Obama Actually Register for Selective Service?
This supposed revelation of 0’s SS records has been debunked here and here.)
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 SAT and LSAT test scores
19 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
20 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
21 Punahou grade school records
22 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.
23 Obama 1964 Divorce Papers - 13 Pages - Missing Pg 11
24 Why isn’t Barack Obama still a member of the Illinois bar and where are all of the relevant documents?
25 Why isn’t Michelle Obama still a member of the Illinois bar, after only about four years of practice, and where are all of the relevant documents?
(There are even rumors that he has used several different SS#s at different times, and the one used now was issued in Connecticut—somewhere Obama’s never lived...)
The outdated information?
The false claims that have been debunked for years?
The presentation of opinions as factual evidence?
The phony Kenyan BC produced by a convicted con-man?
Or the other phony BC produced by a prankster who rejoiced in hooking birthers with it?
Amen to that! I think those are great ideas.
If you research any of that, you'll find that it is a bunch of crap.
Case in point. Two Kenyan BC’s? If one is real, then one is guaranteed to be a phony. Why the lack of discretion by presenting them both with no explanation of their background?
The first Kenyan BC was produced by a convicted con-artist who was kicked off FR. His phony BC has yet to see the light of day.
The second was produced by a prankster who reveled in snagging birthers with his phony BC.
The whole list in post #9 falls apart if you look into any of it.
That it still gets posted tells you just how detached from reality the poster is. Either that or they have no problem lying if it suits their purposes. Either way...
When a source is necessary, I post one. But unlike you, I post real sources, not just links to the opinions of random bloggers.
I really don't know why I waste my time with your claims. But ... here goes, and here's my source...
LOL. You've got to be kidding. You are using some random blog as a "source."
Okay, let's quickly disect its claim:
When Obama was born in 1961, Hawaii had in effect the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program which it established in 1911 and which it terminated in 1972. Someone could under Act 96 get a certificate claiming a Hawaiian birth even if he was physically born in a foreign country by an adult or parent falsely claiming to the director of health that he was born in Hawaii when in fact he was born abroad.
True enough. However your "source" forgot one important detail: Certificates of Hawaiian Birth were only available to people age 1 or older, whose births hadn't been registered. Here's my source (a real one, BTW):
"The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii."
Which is from here:
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/hawnbirth.html
Obama, in contrast, was FOUR DAYS old when his birth was registered. Hence Obama's birth couldn't possibly have been registered under the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program.
Well, obviously you and the blogger you are quoting never actually read the Territorial Law of 1957. If you had, you would know that there is absolute no provision under that law allowing the registration of out-of-state births in Hawaii.
“What in fact the territorial statute in effect before the 1982 statute sets out is an even greater latitude
Whoever wrote that is ignorant of the 1957 law. It is no more lax than the current law, and is no more lax than the law in any other state.
enabling and entitling persons to register a child for up to a year after its birth and to do so, if not attended by a locally licensed physician or midwife, for the parents or one of them to fill out the birth certificate or for a “local registrar” to fill out a birth certificate “from anyone having knowledge of the birth.”
Sure. Some babies aren't lucky enough to be attended by a physician or midwife when they are born. Like every other state in the Union, Hawaii has provisions to register their births and to grant them birth certificates. So what?
What would you do with babies born in unattended births?
Thus a child born outside of Hawaii and attended by a non-Hawaii licensed health care provider or born unattended could get a Hawaii birth certificate nonetheless.”
Not legally. Someone would have to commit fraud for that to happen.
But there's nothing special about Hawaii when it comes to fraud. Birth certificate fraud is possible in any state, given a sufficiently competent fraudster. Plus, there's no evidence to suggest fraud was any worse in Hawaii than any other state in 1961.
Are you seriously alleging that someone committed fraud to get Obama's birth registered in 1961? Do you have any evidence for this accusation? Do you even have a motive?
Th Presidency, man! The Presidency!
You've got to look at the big picture.
Kenya is in Africa. And there are Muslims in Africa. Therefore there must be Muslims in Kenya. At least half are women, so the midwife in Kenya was most certainly a Muslim. She must have recognized some kind of special birthmark on the baby Obama heralding him as the prophesied infiltrator of the Great Satan (it's in the Koran. Somewhere in the back..) As this midwife was probably also teaching US Constitutional law as a side job, she knew that BHO II would need to be a NBC to be President. So she advised the parents to make sure he was registered in Hawaii.
It's quite clear, really.
In short, if the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF had a real birth certificate from Hawaii, he would have shown it by now.
But he hasn't, ... because he doesn't!
How gullible can you get?
He has. He showed it to factcheck and allowed it to be photographed.
And it was proven to be a fraud.
Here's the links for those of you in denial, or either too duped to accept the truth of THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF.
Obama Birth Certificate Fraud Proof (October 12, 2008)
Obama Birth Certificate Fraud Proof Prt 2 (October 13, 2008)
Obama Birth Certificate Fraud Proof Prt 2 (January 04, 2011)
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