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So, you can't supply any. That was my point. Whether or not you accept polls "two years out," as best I can tell there are none that show Palin anywhere close. A few months ago, she was only losing by 2-3 in most polls, but more recently---which is the point of this thread---she has lost support with the so-called independents.

Once again, I'm not debating the efficacy of polls. What I would like is for people to accept that as of now there are no polls that I can find showing her beating Zero. Please, show me some.

So, you can't supply any. That was my point.

I can supply some if I dance around through the search function long enough. Do it yourself, they're there. I've seen them on this site, and within the M.O.E. It's not my job to go hunting back throuhg months of poll postings to locate a couple of them, just because you don't believe me. But they HAVE occurred.

A few months ago, she was only losing by 2-3 in most polls, but more recently---which is the point of this thread---she has lost support with the so-called independents.

Yes, and a few months hence, she'll be close again, and so the roller coaster goes. The polls will start to mean something when she actually decides to run. Just because the current snapshot is less favorable, SO WHAT?

I'm looking at the long term, you're focusing on polls which obviously can and will fluctuate wildly. In other words, they're downright irrelevant, period. So that puts the importance of this thread into perspective.

Yawn. OK, I did some legwork for you. Here's some information from a Democratic poll within the last 10 days, during which Palin was being relentlessly slandered by the media 24/7. The original FR thread can be found here, and let me quote from the source article:

To read some of the reviews telling Sarah Palin it's over as to any hope of winning a general election, you would think she would be down in the polls versus Obama by an enormous margin, particularly if a poll were taken in the days after the Tucson shooting when the media was in full blame mode tying Palin's electoral map to the shooting.
But if this poll conducted January 9-12 by Greenberg Quinlin Rosner, a Democratic polling firm, for Democracy Corps is accurate, Palin is down 10% among voters and 6% among people who voted in 2010.

Got that? Even in that ridiculous momentary environment, Palin was down only 10% among RV and only 6% among LV.

That LV figure is easily within the poll's margin of error. Which means she's competitive, K?

As a matter of fact, let's take a closer look at some of the supplemental information reported from that poll of 1000 likely voters:

200 Youth Oversample
200 Unmarried Women Oversample
80 Nonwhite Oversample

As you can see, the oversampling was done in three demographics where Palin is especially weak.

So, like I said, rumors of Sarah's political death, or even her supposed weakness against Obama, are greatly exaggerated. I don't see what positive purpose your skepticism serves.

O ye of little faith!