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My point is that there is an issue of expectations and basic fairness here. You don't suddenly yank away from someone a benefit that he had always assumed would be there (because you promised him it would) and which he has therefore counted on as part his retirement income. If you want to make some sort of fundamental change, you at least have to start with people who have productive years left and who can adjust their plans (or expectations) to the new reality.

I would make the same point with respect to reforming public sector pensions. You can't just yank the rug out from under people who have finished their careers and are now counting on the income. You need to start far back in the pack, cutting back the pensions for those in their 20s and 30s and telling them to start saving for retirement the way folks do in the private sector. If you are not counting on the defined benefit, you will find ways to replace it if you have the time.

The country is broke. Obama pushed it over the edge. Don't blame me. Blame the idiots who watch TV because ALL of TV supports him. I have a stupid elderly relative who's father was a staunch Republican. He actually was killed by stress from unions in his mid 50s. This old fool watched network TV and was convinced that Bush was the devil. They voted for Obama.

I really do not care anymore. Idiots who watch TV have empower Obama and he will probably be reelected in 2012. A lot of people here are delusional think Fox is their friend.

O’Reilly and beck are praising Obama now. I dumped TV a year ago. SS recipients and govt union pension workers - if you voted for Obama or Democrat you did this to yourself. No sympathy here. Sorry.